Windows 10 Version 1903

 

After much deliberation, I have decided to tread water on the 1903 Feature Update, for as long as it takes to generate confidence
that the version has been thoroughly debugged by users feedback to Microsoft.
 
They have listed it as a separate option to normal updates as a manual "install when you are ready" job. So it can wait.
There is no rush to install a new Feature Update, we have months before it becomes mandatory.
 
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That's what I would do also Beaker77.  There is no need to jump in unless it has already been downloaded.  At some point it may just download by itself, then you are stuck with it, but for now there is no need to rush.
 
I've installed it to many computers as of now, but no Upgrades yet.
 
Why don't you just have at least ONE GOOD USB Flash Drive to back up all your data?
 
Apparently My current Haswell Based Tower is not ready for it due to the warning I'm getting, which I find a little weird as it should meet most modern criteria.
 
Here is a list of the issues that one may or may not experience.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/status-windows-10-1903
 

 
Ah, but those issues relate to NOW. In 3 or more months time, hopefully there will not be many to list.

i have installed 1903 on 7 different computers now, none have any issues,

in the past 10-15 years i have never had an issue installing any windows updates,

there comes a point where some users must take responsibility for their computers that are already corrupted by their own doings,

stop blaming your own problems on microsoft

if you have problems with a windows update, then chances are your OS was F-ed up prior to the update, and odds are pretty good that was your own fault

Edited by mikey11, 18 June 2019 - 11:29 AM.

 

 

 

After much deliberation, I have decided to tread water on the 1903 Feature Update, for as long as it takes to generate confidence
that the version has been thoroughly debugged by users feedback to Microsoft.
 
They have listed it as a separate option to normal updates as a manual "install when you are ready" job. So it can wait.
There is no rush to install a new Feature Update, we have months before it becomes mandatory.
 
See -
  

That's what I would do also Beaker77.  There is no need to jump in unless it has already been downloaded.  At some point it may just download by itself, then you are stuck with it, but for now there is no need to rush.
 
I've installed it to many computers as of now, but no Upgrades yet.
 
Why don't you just have at least ONE GOOD USB Flash Drive to back up all your data?
 
Apparently My current Haswell Based Tower is not ready for it due to the warning I'm getting, which I find a little weird as it should meet most modern criteria.
 
Here is a list of the issues that one may or may not experience.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/status-windows-10-1903
 

 
Ah, but those issues relate to NOW. In 3 or more months time, hopefully there will not be many to list.

In 3 or more months 1909 will be out and we'll be having the same conversation.

 

QUE SERÁ SERÁ

i have installed 1903 on 7 different computers now, none have any issues,

 

in the past 10-15 years i have never had an issue installing any windows updates,

 

there comes a point where some users must take responsibility for their computers that are already corrupted by their own doings,

 

stop blaming your own problems on microsoft

 

if you have problems with a windows update, then chances are your OS was F-ed up prior to the update, and odds are pretty good that was your own fault

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a load of utter bull.

Look mate I take care of my system, I update my drivers, run virus checks and every goddamned thing imaginable and i still got issues with windows 10.

So dont come to me with talk like this, I am not in the bloody mood.

i have installed 1903 on 7 different computers now, none have any issues,

 

in the past 10-15 years i have never had an issue installing any windows updates,

 

there comes a point where some users must take responsibility for their computers that are already corrupted by their own doings,

 

stop blaming your own problems on microsoft

 

if you have problems with a windows update, then chances are your OS was F-ed up prior to the update, and odds are pretty good that was your own fault

I have a brand new HP desktop computer - December 2018, using Windows 10 version 1809 and it is working perfect.

It is NOT  "F-ed up" and I aim to keep it that way by holding off on any Feature Updates until they have been proven satisfactory to install

by sufficient exposure on the market.

Edited by Beaker77, 18 June 2019 - 11:44 AM.

 

 

I have a brand new HP desktop computer - December 2018, using Windows 10 version 1809 and it is working perfect.

It is NOT  "F-ed up" and I aim to keep it that way by holding off on any Feature Updates until they have been proven satisfactory to install

by sufficient exposure on the market.

 

then you wont have a problem with the update....so what are you afraid of?

 

 

 

I have a brand new HP desktop computer - December 2018, using Windows 10 version 1809 and it is working perfect.

It is NOT  "F-ed up" and I aim to keep it that way by holding off on any Feature Updates until they have been proven satisfactory to install

by sufficient exposure on the market.

 

 

 

then you wont have a problem with the update....so what are you afraid of?

 

Never afraid Mikey, trained to be cautious and to walk before I run.

Edited by Beaker77, 18 June 2019 - 11:49 AM.

 

i have installed 1903 on 7 different computers now, none have any issues,

 

in the past 10-15 years i have never had an issue installing any windows updates,

 

there comes a point where some users must take responsibility for their computers that are already corrupted by their own doings,

 

stop blaming your own problems on microsoft

 

if you have problems with a windows update, then chances are your OS was F-ed up prior to the update, and odds are pretty good that was your own fault

 

 

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

What a load of utter bull.

Look mate I take care of my system, I update my drivers, run virus checks and every goddamned thing imaginable and i still got issues with windows 10.

So dont come to me with talk like this, I am not in the bloody mood.

 

No, he's not wrong.

There are exceptions, and given what I know about you yours is almost certainly one of them, but my professional experience has demonstrated, repeatedly, that most issues with Windows are the result of not doing regular routine maintenance (and prior to Windows 10 that virtually always involved trying to pick and choose updates) and/or ignoring system instability when things were added or removed.   When you add to that the fact that a very many machines were upgraded from Windows 7/8/8.1 on machines that were not in the best of shape to begin with, but still succeeded in upgrading, you have a house built on quicksand.

You want to generalize your experience, which even posts to this very venue show are highly unusual in extent and type, far more broadly than is warranted.  It helps no one, including yourself.

The bugs are very system specific.I have made some changes to drivers but backed up first.The one issue that may be caused by latency are dropped frames.Whatever is causing it seems elusive.I believe Toshiba when they say they know of issues but driver and bios updates for most devices from 2015 have stopped since they were in limbo for awhile.

The bugs are very system specific.I have made some changes to drivers but backed up first.The one issue that may be caused by latency are dropped frames.Whatever is causing it seems elusive.I believe Toshiba when they say they know of issues but driver and bios updates for most devices from 2015 have stopped since they were in limbo for awhile.

I was about to allude to our conversations without alluding to you directly.  Yours is a perfect example of a situation where something, that no one has yet been able to successfully identify, including your computer's OEM (Toshiba), is not playing well with Windows 10 on a very, very specific subset of its hardware, and even then it doesn't appear to happen "universally" on that specific subset, either.

That doesn't make it any less frustrating and infuriating for those who own that hardware when Windows 10 Feature Updates or clean installations don't go as they should, but it's hard to place blame on anyone when even the experts in said hardware and the folks at Microsoft, working together, cannot pin down a root cause.  And we're not talking about hardware that wasn't introduced during the Windows 8 or later eras and shouldn't be able to easily handle Windows 10 up through and including Version 1903, either.

Having been a software developer, I know how difficult it can be to do thorough testing, including regression testing, when one knows precisely what hardware the software will be running on.  I cannot even imagine how exponentially more difficult it is for any OS maker for the PC platform.  Their stuff gets tossed on to all sorts of hardware, much of which was never intended for it and will never have been tested with it, yet get blamed if there are issues.  What's the bigger miracle, in my opinion, is that in most cases it actually works.  That, in and of itself, is a testament to those who have developed those OSes.

My problem has never been how well 10 upgrades, as britechguy always says, it's pretty remarkable how well it works at what it is doing.  My problem is Updates in general are painful to me.  And I don't want a entirely new OS every six months.  Though the whole idea and process is remarkable.  Hopefully one day the Features will be come only once a year, now that would be nice.  

I'm always surprised I'm not called more often about botched Feature Updates, but it is true, they don't fail all that often.  The biggest issue is there are hundreds of thousands of old Upgraded Windows 7 and 8 machines that are running horribly after years of Feature Upgrades.  Luckily that don't affect me

The biggest issue is there are hundreds of thousands of old Upgraded Windows 7 and 8 machines that are running horribly after years of Feature Upgrades.

Most of which were not running well even before the Windows 10 upgrade followed by additional Feature Updates.   Even though Feature Updates come very close to being completely clean installs of the operating system itself, and repair installs closer still, neither is truly a completely clean install, and sometimes you've just got to bite the bullet and go that route if you want to have a clean and stable baseline foundation upon which to build going forward.

But my earlier comments on this topic and others about Microsoft becoming much more hardware sensitive regarding readiness for a Feature Update has, literally for me, just been demonstrated on my Update & Security Settings, Windows Update Pane, on this very machine moments ago.  This is the first time I have seen what's shown in this screenshot anywhere, and I'm sure this is not idiosyncratic to my machine!  ;-)

A reminder to those who may have forgotten. 

After updating to Version 1903, you will likely find that System Protection has been turned off, and ALL your current Restore Points will have been removed. After updating another of my machines to 1903, I then checked that all was well, and then turned on System Restore per the Configure button ... then Apply and OK. 

I then created a new first restore point followed by a fresh Macrium full image backup.

I also employ my latest Macrium emergency boot disk to confirm that it can still boot into the Macrium Recovery environment for 1903, and that I can navigate to my backups within my external drives. I only have these drives connected when I create backups because of potential Ransomware threats etc. that can migrate to other connected devices.

To be blunt, anyone who still neglects to make regular full Image backups nowadays can only be described as foolish or naïve.

Yes - perhaps you have been lucky that Windows Updates have never hitherto bricked your machine … but it's only a matter of time.

Historically, I've received many phone calls from folk with bricked machines asking "what should I do now".

They also seem to be unaware of the escalating threat of Ransomware when they find that many of their precious files have been encrypted.

They may have been simply unlucky by visiting a hacked website, or have an unexpected hard-drive failure.

This is when I would simply run my latest Macrium image backup and be back to normal in 40 minutes.

I prefer "Put your trust in God, my boys, and keep your powder dry" rather than "Que Sera Sera". 

Tornado  

Edited by camtornado, 18 June 2019 - 06:17 PM.

The turning off of System Protection is another of those things that seems to be idiosyncratic to specific machines.  That being said, it takes only a few moments to check, and is well worth doing.

It does make sense, though, that all restore points from the prior version of Windows 10 are wiped.  Feature Updates essentially replace Windows 10 in its entirety, while somehow retaining only those registry entries related to installed desktop apps or store apps, so it would be impossible to use System Restore with an old restore point after that tectonic shift has occurred.

System Protection is not, and should not ever be, considered a primary nor reliable utility.   It's great for undoing relatively simple changes, when it works, but there are plenty of times when it doesn't (and, believe me, I've been there and had it "not do" what I'd hoped it would).

You are 100%, absolutely, positively, unquestionably, irrefutably correct that having a full system image backup protocol (with, possibly, incremental backups, too) as well as separate user data backups is the closest thing any computer owner will ever have as far as an insurance policy for their precious data (and time).  It generally takes under an hour to do a restore from a full system image with any utility, including the free ones, that I've ever used.  And now that huge capacity external backup drives can be had for next to nothing on sale, there's no reason not to have one and use it (preferably two, alternating which one gets used at the point each baseline full system image backup is taken).

I couldn't agree more with Camtornado's #58 except that I wouldn't go along with 'nowadays'. It has always been a part of safe computing. apart from the normal fumble-finger - "where did I put that blank-blank file?" - I have personally had two major incidents of data loss. The first was when I was setting up a dual boot system and missed ticking a 500 Gb data drive as 'do not format'. Scratch 450Gb of data !  The second - almost exactly three years ago to the day - was when I got a warning that my CPU/mobo were just about to turn their toes up. I had just enough time to back up my C:\ drive before it all failed.

On both occasions back-ups allowed me to go back to almost exactly where I had been before these mishaps occurred.

It has been said that computer users fall into two groups - those who have lost data and those who are going to lose data. I can assure you that having lost data makes you much more careful about it in the future !  And given how cheap external hard drives are these days I have little sympathy for those who say they cannot afford it. And if you really can't afford it there are various cloud service - Google Drive, MS OneDrive, Dropbox to name but three - offering varying quantities of free storage. The lesson is -

Back-up, back-up, back-up !

Chris Cosgrove