Earth Warming stats from NASA

So since the mid to late 1800s we humans have effectively killed off what took years to create naturally?

See how ridiculous that sounds.

 

Not in the context of 'our environment being destroyed' as an ongoing result.

Unfortunate. But true. We have destroyed the land, water and sky. We may even destroy ourselves and humanity may end. But Earth will still be here, just not with us humans anymore. 
Humanity does not listen to science or reason or logic. It worships money, power and control and war, unfortunately there is no science methods for humans, just pure exploitation.

Then let's let Darwin win over and let the strong inherit the earth. Close all hospitals and stop all research for cures and voila the human populace will become balanced as intended. The human race will naturally die off from natural issues. Again human caused global warming will magically heal itself after all in 200 years as you say we destroyed it. So 200 years of people dying will magically balance out nature to an earth sustainable level if you truly believe humans are the cause then this is the cure.

Then let's let Darwin win over and let the strong inherit the earth.

 

That wasn't in Darwin's theory.

 

He projected the specie with the greatest ability to adjust to a changing environment would be the most successful at surviving and reproducing.

 

If only the strongest survive, man wouldn't have.

 

Early man's advantage was his superior mind and opposed thumbs.

 

Dan, you post gibberish. Popular, but gibber.

Strong has many meanings you should look it up. Strength also applies to the greater ability. Those with greater health, greater chances at life, and other things all fall under the word strong.

Those with lesser ability aka the weak will die off due their weaknesses from many environmental factors such as ability to kill and eat animals and to know what is and isn't healthy to eat from vegetation.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/strong

Definition 3 and 4 is what i meant by the term strong.

So yes I used the word right.

Strong has many meanings you should look it up. Strength also applies to the greater ability.

 

Back to sophistry to cover your tracks?  lol!

 

It still wasn't one of Darwin's comments.

 

It's all about: the ability to adjust to a changing environment.

You only post more nonsense.

"Again human caused global warming will magically heal itself after all in 200 years as you say we destroyed it. So 200 years of people dying will magically balance out nature to an earth sustainable level if you truly believe humans are the cause then this is the cure."

 

And this time period of 200 years is based on which studies or conclusions? In it possible it will take a very long time to"magically heal itself" not just 200 years. 

How long does it take the plastic polluting the world to break down and dissolve? Not 200 years but much longer. 

Strong is as in strong smell such as a strong flatulence? Strong is relative. 

Again human caused global warming will magically heal itself after all in 200 years as you say we destroyed it. So 200 years of people dying will magically balance out nature to an earth sustainable level if you truly believe humans are the cause then this is the cure.

 

Dan, how in the world do you come to such irrational conclusions?

 

Magic?

A balanced sustainable level in 200 years if everyone is eliminated?

 

What is this craziness?

 

The object is for society to survive as best as possible, or don't you understand?

Edited by JohnnyBeeGood, 20 August 2022 - 06:15 PM.

Strong is as in strong smell such as a strong flatulence? Strong is relative.

 

It's just Dan's way of avoiding scientific explanations in his political quest to deny scientific facts.

Sophistry.

"Again human caused global warming will magically heal itself after all in 200 years as you say we destroyed it. So 200 years of people dying will magically balance out nature to an earth sustainable level if you truly believe humans are the cause then this is the cure."
 
And this time period of 200 years is based on which studies or conclusions? In it possible it will take a very long time to"magically heal itself" not just 200 years. 
How long does it take the plastic polluting the world to break down and dissolve? Not 200 years but much longer. 

The less humans the earth has the less consumption of resources and the faster the earth becomes back to what it was in the early 1800s. That's the point I'm suggesting.

The humans that are left wouks be tasked with the massive clean up involved. This would require a lot of man hours and the turning of all plastics and pollution into usable energy sources.

So again 200 years a small sliver in time and space in which the earth is an evolving planet constantly changing from forced within that we do not fully know about because of the inability to actively explore and probe. We cam only guess what is going on beneath the crust and the surface of the oceans.

Sure humans maybe impacting it but the earth could be going into its next evolution and change causing the climate issues we see now.

You ever consider that? Or do you continue to eat the climate change caused by humans that is being spewed by the global elite?

And again if it was truly human caused wouldn't you expect these global elite people would use our technology to reduce flying and having massive car entourages and stay home to discuss things like the g20, g7, UN meetings, NATO meetings, award shows, and other major pollution causing events.

But no you see these people consuming massive amounts of fuel on their meetings when a simple video teleconference could be done from their executive offices in a safe and secure environment and when a signing of treaties need to be done they can do so digitally with pki certificates.

But no we don't see that now do we, so in my opinion the climate crisis isn't that dire.

Edited by cryptodan, 20 August 2022 - 06:18 PM.

"But no you see these people consuming massive amounts of fuel on their meetings when a simple video teleconference could be done from their executive offices in a safe and secure environment and when a signing of treaties need to be done they can do so digitally with pki certificates.

But no we don't see that now do we, so in my opinion the climate crisis isn't that dire."

 

So what you are saying is that if these people suddenly used Skype or Discord that would mean the climate change is real? They probably do meet using phones and chats, in private, but do these make the news? Probably not ...but face to face meeting make the news. 

 

It can or maybe that climate change will not be drastic as it is made out to be, and maybe the effects can be lessened if there is action now and prevent a future disaster. But probably not, it maybe too late.

As they say "a day late and a dollar short"

 

Wait till next summer in the US and Europe. It will be even hotter and drier. It is already happening in Africa, Asia and Central America where there is definite climate changes, but the climate change affecting the third world nations are of no importance to the first world nations. Once the first world sees the climate changes effects, then the climate change will become an importance issue. Not before but after. 

Edited by 0lds0d, 20 August 2022 - 06:52 PM.

It's all about messaging and influence. The influence of them using virtual telemeeting technology would do wonders on convincing the nay sayers like ne that climate change is a crisis and the leaders of these nations are taking measures to lessen their impact along with the global elite.

They should be practicing what they preach to us commoners.

And to your prediction about next summer what if you are wrong and what you say doesn't pan out like you believe and it is actually cooler and more mild? And this trend continues? Would that be enough for you to question the science, or would you still push it?

Hard to say, Dan Wait and see if the next few summers are getting hotter with more heat and possible increases in deaths. Overall the next summers should be getting hotter for us on average and of course seeing other climate & environmental changes. Time will tell.

 

OTOH if the world suddenly goes into a deep freeze then it still is climate change.

 

There were heat warning for us in Canada too. My town of Brampton (part of Peel Region) Ontario was affected by this summer with above average heat and humidity for many weeks, instead of the usual hot spells for a few days (although the hot spells do repeat, these are never as prolonged as it was this summer).   Too long and too hot for us Canucks who are not acclimatized or perpared for the heat as our southern neighbours in the US. We still have above average temps but our summer was never close to the high temps those reached in the US.

Edited by 0lds0d, 20 August 2022 - 07:36 PM.

Hard to say, Dan Wait and see if the next few summers are getting hotter with more heat and possible increases in deaths. Overall the next summers should be getting hotter for us on average and of course seeing other climate & environmental changes. Time will tell.
 
OTOH if the world goes into a deep freeze then it still is climate change.

And what about the greenhouse gasses trapping in heat in regards to a massive deep freeze? How would you expect science to address that issue after so many years of them saying the exact opposite. Would you then question science?

The movie 2012 was one such movie that depicted an ice age forming over much of the north American continent forming a new ice shelf.

Dan:

 

The less humans the earth has the less consumption of resources and the faster the earth becomes back to what it was in the early 1800s. That's the point I'm suggesting.

 

Childish speculation.

 

So again 200 years a small sliver in time and space in which the earth is an evolving planet constantly changing from forced within that we do not fully know about because of the inability to actively explore and probe.

Since when did you become a geologist?

From all your statements and the one above, you certainly know nothing about earth sciences.

But to address your ignorance, scientists do have physical access to our environment and can measure forces applied to it.

 

And those forces have left historical/physical evidence spanning millions of years.

And they can be studied, scientifically.

 

 

Sure humans maybe impacting it but the earth could be going into its next evolution and change causing the climate issues we see now.

They are and it's measurable, scientifically.

 

 

 

And again if it was truly human caused wouldn't you expect these global elite people would use our technology to reduce flying and having massive car entourages and stay home to discuss things like the g20, g7, UN meetings, NATO meetings, award shows, and other major pollution causing events.

Again blathering. It's called begging the question and is a logical fallacy.

You seem to do that a lot lol.

 

There is no 'was' about it.

Global warming exists, you even admitted it, and man's activities add to the process.

 

 

But no you see these people consuming massive amounts of fuel on their meetings when a simple video teleconference could be done from their executive offices in a safe and secure environment and when a signing of treaties need to be done they can do so digitally with pki certificates.

Shame on them, but it's irrelevant to the science of the issue and doesn't address your earlier denials of global warming.

 

But no we don't see that now do we, so in my opinion the climate crisis isn't that dire.

Your opinion is worthless.

That's not an accusation. It's an observation.

Extreme events are becoming more frequent and more severe.

To these people, their situation is very dire as survival is questionable for many:

 

Horn of Africa drought places 22 million people at risk of starvation, says UN

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/20/drought-in-horn-of-africa-places-22m-people-at-risk-of-starvation-says-un

 

 

Years of insufficient rainfall across Kenya, Somalia and Ethiopia have caused the worst drought in 40 years and conditions akin to famine in the hardest-hit areas, aid groups say.

 

An unprecedented four failed rainy seasons has killed millions of livestock, destroyed crops and forced 1.1 million people from their homes in search of food and water.