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#1 an_ode_to_cloughie

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:40 AM

I,m guessing the bulk of the members of Bleepingcomputer.com are from the US so you may well heard of this dood. But being over the pond in the UK i wasn,t aware of him. Rest assured i think he,s tops and hope to meet him and franchise his ideas over here :thumbsup: :trumpet: :flowers:

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TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA COUNTY (ARIZONA) SHERIFF. HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

These are some of the reasons why:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the "tent city jail" to save Arizona from spending tens of million of dollars on another expensive prison complex.

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He banned smoking and porno magazines in the jails, took away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but "G" movies. He says:
"They're in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault innocent people when they leave."

He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county and city projects and save taxpayer's money.
Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel. When asked why the weather channel he replied: "So these morons will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs."

He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is therefore a waste of taxpayer's money. When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."

He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series that actually tells the truth for a change would be welcome and that it might even explain why 95% of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record for June 2nd), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed- wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.
On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were chatting in the tents, where temperatures reached 128 degrees. "This is hell.

It feels like we live in a furnace," said Ernesto Gonzales, an inmate for 2 years with 10 more to go. "It's inhumane." Joe Arpaio, who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. "Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for parole, only to go out and commit more crimes so they can come back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things many taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves."

Wednesday he told all the inmates who were complaining of the heat in the tents: "It's between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too. They have to walk all day in the sun, wearing full battle gear, get shot at and they have not committed any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"


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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:45 AM

Didn't know about this guy......sounds like hes doing a great job.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 07:07 AM

Joe Arpaio is the current number one person on the ACLU's hit list.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 07:09 AM

Joe Arpaio is the current number one person on the ACLU's hit list.


The ACLU just loves criminals don't they?

(Just as we said yesterday about the UN, ACLU is yet another miserable failure of an organization.)

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 08:00 AM

Joe Arpaio is the current number one person on the ACLU's hit list.


The ACLU just loves criminals don't they?

(Just as we said yesterday about the UN, ACLU is yet another miserable failure of an organization.)


Hmm...

maybe Hillary Clinton could run the ACLU?

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Yeah, Joe Arpaio is one person who actually treats a criminal as if the criminal did something wrong.


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Posted 29 June 2007 - 08:39 AM

Being an (ex)criminal myself, and have done some (not a lot) time in jail, I can say that the perception of prisoners living the high life is a bunch of steamy, rancid crap.

Imagine spending 16-20 hours a day in a small cell. With little or nothing to do and the only "furniture" is an uncomfortable "bed" and a stainless steel toilet/sink. The only respite is going out in "the yard" to exercise. The only exercise ever done is worrying whether another inmate is going to attack you, or if a guard is going to decide you looked at him funny. Now image the most tasteless food you can think of. Now make it have the consistency of cold oatmeal mized with pureed jello.

Now multiply that by several years non-stop.

This "Sheriff" should have to spend a couple of years in his little "campsite".

And what does everyone have against the ACLU? how can any American be against an organization whose goal is the defense of the Constitution? yes, they take the side of unpopular people sometimes (like in Skokie,Ill Vs National Socialist Party), but that's because they truely believe that everyone (even the unpopular) has rights. Without the ACLU, we would never have had Police "reading your rights" (Gideon Vs. Wainwright) among other things.

I'd browbeat and complain some more but I need sleep. Or coffee. Whatever...

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 08:44 AM

They know him well in Mexico They don't even run the border thru Maricopa county.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 08:46 AM

Being an (ex)criminal myself, and have done some (not a lot) time in jail, I can say that the perception of prisoners living the high life is a bunch of steamy, rancid crap.

Imagine spending 16-20 hours a day in a small cell. With little or nothing to do and the only "furniture" is an uncomfortable "bed" and a stainless steel toilet/sink. The only respite is going out in "the yard" to exercise. The only exercise ever done is worrying whether another inmate is going to attack you, or if a guard is going to decide you looked at him funny. Now image the most tasteless food you can think of. Now make it have the consistency of cold oatmeal mized with pureed jello.

Now multiply that by several years non-stop.

This "Sheriff" should have to spend a couple of years in his little "campsite".

And what does everyone have against the ACLU? how can any American be against an organization whose goal is the defense of the Constitution? yes, they take the side of unpopular people sometimes (like in Skokie,Ill Vs National Socialist Party), but that's because they truely believe that everyone (even the unpopular) has rights. Without the ACLU, we would never have had Police "reading your rights" (Gideon Vs. Wainwright) among other things.

I'd browbeat and complain some more but I need sleep. Or coffee. Whatever...


Interesting post indeed. You think the sheriff should see what its like eh? Even though he has not committed any crimes? On the flip side...did you commit a crime or not deserving of prison time? Perhaps one should think of the consequences of actions before enacting.

And the ACLU defends the constitution? Are you serious?
The ACLU Defends The Bill of Rights.
The Truth: The ACLU defends the parts of the Bill of Rights that are in line with its agenda. What about the second, ninth, and tenth amendment?
ACLU POLICY �The ACLU believes that the individual�s right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms.�ACLU
And they certainly don’t believe in States rights, constantly attempting to override the will of the people via the judicial branch.

The ACLU Defends Religious Liberty
The Truth: The ACLU claims to be the great defender of liberty, but the truth is that their definition of liberty is limited to what alligns within their agenda. As a matter of fact, the ACLU is the foremost religious censor in America. Despite the fact that this nation was founded upon the ideals of religious freedom, the ACLU has succeeded in manipulating the very founding principles through the corrupted judicial branch to repress the religious expression of America, and continues to work daily at erasing our National religious heritage from the pages of history.

They Defend the Oppressed and Helpless:
The Truth: If you count terrorists, child molesters, and murderers as oppressed and helpless, then you may think this one is true. The truly defensless are the very children being harmed by these perverts the ACLU defend. The ACLU don’t believe children have any rights, unless it is to murder their own children without their parents ever knowing.

Want more information? How about examples?

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 09:02 AM

[quote name='jwinathome' post='556250' date='Jun 29 2007, 06:46 AM']Interesting post indeed. You think the sheriff should see what its like eh? Even though he has not committed any crimes?[/quote]
One could argue that he has.[quote]On the flip side...did you commit a crime[/quote]Yes.[quote]or not deserving of prison time?[/quote]deserving, yes.[quote]Perhaps one should think of the consequences of actions before enacting.[/quote]True. But my rights weren't violated. Had they been, my situation would be germane[quote]And the ACLU defends the constitution? Are you serious?[/quote]
Yes, very much so.[quote]The ACLU Defends The Bill of Rights.
The Truth: The ACLU defends the parts of the Bill of Rights that are in line with its agenda. What about the second, ninth, and tenth amendment?[/quote]
While I disagree with the ALCU's position on the second amendment (and so, i'm assuming, agree with you), I don't see what tenth amendment has to do with Civil liberties. As for the ninth, ("The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people,") I would like to know what the ACLU has done to diminish or damage it.[quote]ACLU POLICY The ACLU believes that the individual's right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms.'ACLU
And they certainly don't believe in States rights, constantly attempting to override the will of the people via the judicial branch.[/quote]By definition, the ACLU is not interested in State's Rights.[quote]The ACLU Defends Religious Liberty
The Truth: The ACLU claims to be the great defender of liberty,[/quote]I agree with them[quote]but the truth is that their definition of liberty is limited to what alligns within their agenda.[/quote]Which is?[quote]As a matter of fact, the ACLU is the foremost religious censor in America. Despite the fact that this nation was founded upon the ideals of religious freedom,[/quote]this is true )the religious freedom part, that is)[quote]the ACLU has succeeded in manipulating the very founding principles through the corrupted judicial branch to repress the religious expression of America, and continues to work daily at erasing our National religious heritage from the pages of history.[/quote] Does not the freedom of religion imply the freedom from religion? The country was founded on the principle (among others) that a person's religion, or lack thereof, is a personal matter. That no one can tell you what or what not to believe. That no one can be made to support a religion, or any doctrine thereof, that is not their own.[quote]They Defend the Oppressed and Helpless:
The Truth: If you count terrorists, child molesters, and murderers as oppressed and helpless, then you may think this one is true. The truly defensless are the very children being harmed by these perverts the ACLU defend. The ACLU don't believe children have any rights,[/quote]I strenuously disagree[quote]unless it is to murder their own children without their parents ever knowing.

Want more information?[/quote]yes.[quote]How about examples?[/quote]I would find them most interesting, I'm sure.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 09:10 AM

The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin stated clearly…

My chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment. Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.”

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 09:14 AM

In 1982, the ACLU, in an amicus role, lost in a unanimous decision in the Supreme Court to legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography.”

The case is…: New York Vs Ferber, 458 U.S. 747

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 09:31 AM

The Amicus brief for New York Vs Ferber was regarding what constitutes pornography (the "Miller Test"), not saying that it was a-okay.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 09:50 AM

Whats your opinion on the quote from the founder? Does that sound like protecting the freedoms expressed by the constitution?

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 09:58 AM

I believe that it's his opinion. He's entitled to it, and I don't see anything that contravenes the Constitution.

(ok, the part about no government does by definition)

I think he just explained why he founded the ACLU.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 10:15 AM

Without the ACLU, we would never have had Police "reading your rights" (Gideon Vs. Wainwright) among other things.


I have to disagree on that minor point.
Gideon vs Wainwright was state courts are required by the Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution to provide lawyers in criminal cases for defendants unable to afford their own attorneys. Lawyer Abe Fortas, by appointment of the Court, 370 U.S. 932 , argued the cause for petitioner. With him on the brief were Abe Krash and Ralph Temple. Abe Fortas went on to become an Associate Supreme Cout Judge for nearly three years, and I am unable to find any documents supporting him having ties to the ACLU.

Miranda vs Arizona held that criminal suspects must be informed of their right to consult with an attorney and of their right against self-incrimination prior to questioning by police. Hence the term 'Mirandizing' a suspect.

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