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I'm Making My First Computer And I Could Use Some Advice


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#1 LordDread

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 11:26 PM

Hello I am Lord Dread, an utter and complete n00b.

O_o also there was no-where else to put this post and this spot made sense.

I am putting together my first computer. But first i need the parts.
I dont want everything top of the line =__= way too poor for that.
Im thinking mid-high end type thing.

so my big questions are as follows:
What video card should i get?
what cpu should i get?
what motherboard should i go so i can fit the video card and cpu on it?
how much memory will i need to get the most out of the video card/cpu?
What Case and power supply should i get to power all that efficiently?

and im thinking my cash ceiling will be 1200$ or so. Lets divide that first:
200-300$ video card 299$ nVidia 8800 GTS
150-300$ cpu 222$ Intel Core Duo E6600 2.4Ghz
100-200$ motherboard
100-150$ audio card
200-250$ case + power supply
150-300$ memory sticks 154$ G.Skill 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 SDRAM
100-200$ Hard Drives

Ill be getting most of the stuff from Newegg.com so if you guys know of good deals do tell.
O_o im sure i can figure the rest out easily enough. I'll figure out an audio card on my own, not nearly as much to choose from.
I've got a screen and netword card already. And ill figure out the cooling set up after i put it together and tested the heat in there.

Being the total newb that i am i dont know if those price ranges are even remotely reasonable so bear with me.

Looking forward to many suggestions :thumbsup:

Edited by LordDread, 24 June 2007 - 11:02 PM.


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Posted 24 June 2007 - 12:15 AM

What do you want to do with this computer? Gaming, video editing, web surfing,..?
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Posted 24 June 2007 - 02:04 AM

I cant believe i forgot to mention that =___=

I'm an avid gamer. I need it to run half-life 2 and such.
Hopefully it'll run spore too. Even thought it not out just yet.

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 06:29 AM

upper limits add up to 1500 and you need hard drive(s)

gaming is not a cheap goal, I would save on the cpu and go with a mid priced amd64X2
pair it with a decent Mobo and 2 gigs of premium ram

go up to your limit with the vid card

if you spend 300 on it that leaves you 900 for the rest

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103778

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231065

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813131013

that spends another 400$

now pick a decent case and a durn good PS and I would want 2 hard drives
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Posted 24 June 2007 - 08:04 AM

For 200-300$ price range for graphics card get a 8800GTS .

that processor/motherboard is decent, but if you wanted to get something better and spend more, get this E6600 .
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Posted 24 June 2007 - 09:13 AM

A good high contrast LCD will set you back $400+. When you start looking at hard drive do not skimp. That is one piece of equipment that will receive a hefty work out. I would go with a pair of Western Digital drives, 7200rpm +. I never was a fan of a single disk system. I put Windows and all my programs on the primary disk and all my data and backups on my secondary disk. That way there is no scrambling when the primary drive DOES fail. Since my last drive failure in December I even mirror my primary drive to one of my server's drives. I know you probably do not see how this pertains to a gaming box. You will when you have to spend hours reconstituting you system after a virus or hardware failure.
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Posted 24 June 2007 - 10:36 AM

Dont forget they always come out with new graphics cards so dont spend to much on those as your will probably upgrade along the road focus more on a better cpu dont buy all of the new things try buying things a little old there usually cheaper and you wont notice difference.
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Posted 24 June 2007 - 11:05 AM

Wow! thanks for all the replies. :thumbsup:
Yes i do need a couple hard drives too i cant believe i forgot that.

so ill edit the first post to add that on to the budget.
I already have a screen and speakers and all the accessories.
so i can save some money on that.

And i agree with you on the two hard drive thing. Especially considering that set up has worked so well when i needed to upgrade windows and such.

EDIT:

Ok i got a chance to look at the links and i think ill get the 2 gb of ram. And probably an 8800 GTS.
But then will that AMD 64 x2 4800 be able to use all the raw power of the 8800GTS?
Also keep in mind i could overclock the cpu to get more out of the video card so if its a bit short of the 8800 GTS then i could boost it.

AMDs are notoriously good for overclocking.

I think the hard drives are going to be in the 100-200 gb range at 7200 rpms.

o_O and i know the price ranges dont get to my 1200$ at maximum but thats cause its mix and match... like a 200$ cpu and 300$ video card maybe a lucky 50$ case and 100$ PS
so dont attack me over that

That intel CPU is looking really good (the E6600) they say that you can OC it to 3Ghz+ easily. I'll just need to work out a decent cooling solution for it if i go that far. Maybe water cooling? O_o then thought they said it runs cool at those settings. We will see. So ill take this one and put it on the budget list

I did some research and found my audio card: X-Fi Xtreme Audio

It has this surround sound in your HEADPHONES! and its only 66$

OK i also did some research on the hard drives. I found 2 types and i cant decide:

they are both 120gb at 7200 rpms and only 50$ each just the other stuff i dont get

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822144118

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822144414

Edited by LordDread, 25 June 2007 - 01:38 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2007 - 08:42 PM

bump

=___= i cant do this alone you know

i need HALP


I R teh newb

P.S. I found an even better HD for only 60$

so to recap:
299$ nVidia 8800 GTS
222$ Intel Core Duo E6600 2.4Ghz
N/A motherboard
66$ X-Fi Xtreme Audio
N/A case + power supply
154$ G.Skill 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 SDRAM
120$ 2 Western Digital 160Gb 7200 RPM 16mb cache

Ok now i need a mobo and PS and i am clueless in those respects so HALP!

Edited by LordDread, 25 June 2007 - 09:18 PM.


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Posted 26 June 2007 - 06:16 AM

The power supply for something like that should probably be about 450-550 watts (estimate). Or if you find a quality 400 watts, that would probably be good. Don't go cheap on your power supply!!! If it fails, it can take other parts with it!

When looking for a power supply, you should look at how many amps there are on the 12 volt rail (usually shown as +12v #a). The plus sign just means positive not the negative 12 rail. For your graphics card, you should really get something with over 20a on the 12v rail. More amps, is good!

As for motherboards, I really am not good with whats better, with things like the chipsets. Just find one that supports core 2 duo, has 1066FSB, has socket LGA 775, matches the ram you picked out, and has some features you like.

A couple of other things:

Where is your DVD/CD drive?

Also, it's not really necessary to have a sound card. Probably 99% of motherboards have integrated sound cards. It will though, make sound better, and take the work of processing sound off the processor. Still, if your not too picky about sound, and want to save money, I suggest just not getting one.
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Posted 26 June 2007 - 07:29 AM

in addition to what sterling said(right on)

and I was just trying to keep you on budget and balance out what you were doing not attack you

with that cpu 6600 and gskill(micronD6?) ram you have the makings of a great overclock
IF
you get the right mobo and power supply, it's going to take a lot of clean stable power, and with that vid card
you are going to have a lot of heat to get rid of

good case with big quiet fans and premium air HSF
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Posted 27 June 2007 - 02:50 PM

Woot! more replies!

about the motherboard i looked for all those and it ened up having a list of 100+ on newegg.... O_o within my budget

Ok so for powersupply i need something at the 400-500 watt range with 20amps in the +12v range?

ill look now

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817148008

I think i found the right one.

Onward to the next part:
DVD drive o_O yea i should prolly get one mine is as old as my computer
save me newegg!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827248006

what else? oh yea a case with big fans

O_O OMG a 225mm fan.... my dream tower case thingy

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811156077

and heres the fan to emphasize:

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/pro...-156-077-10.jpg

so far totaling at only about 950$ so i have plenty for a good motherboard

ill go have one more look and hopefully you guys will be able to narrow down the choices a bit

O_O whats the northbridge? and the southbridge?

and now would be a great time to tell chewy i didnt feel like he "attacked" me O_O nice hair tho

Whats FSB?

Whats hyperthreading?

whats ddr2 memory?

o_O still a good 25 of them even if i think of upgrading

i looked for something that can support up to quad core and SLI and STILL there are that many =_____=

so im lost

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 03:11 PM

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O_O whats the northbridge? and the southbridge?

and now would be a great time to tell chewy i didnt feel like he "attacked" me O_O nice hair tho

Whats FSB?

Whats hyperthreading?

whats ddr2 memory?

o_O still a good 25 of them even if i think of upgrading

i looked for something that can support up to quad core and SLI and STILL there are that many =_____=

so im lost


FSB stands for Front Side Bus, it's basically the means by which your CPU sends and receives data to and from the bridges.

Hyperthreading is Intel's name for multithreading which is just basically special wiring in the processor/motherboard that optomizes the resources of the CPU.

DDR2 SDRAM or double-data-rate two synchronous dynamic random access memory is just a different type of memory.

The bridges, this diagram will help you better understand it.

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 03:23 PM

get one with nVidia's new 680i SLI architecture if you have that kind of money

Edited by Ryan 3000, 27 June 2007 - 03:24 PM.

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 06:28 PM

well in that case ill take this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813188019

and now i have everything and its only 1169$

heres the budget:

299$ nVidia 8800 GTS
222$ Intel Core Duo E6600 2.4Ghz
159$ EVGA 122-CK-NF63-TR LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
66$ X-Fi Xtreme Audio
70$ RAIDMAX KATANA ATX-729FB Black SECC Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
60$ APEVIA ATX-AS520W-BK ATX 520W Power Supply
154$ G.Skill 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 SDRAM
120$ (2x60$) Western Digital 160Gb 7200 RPM 16mb cache Hard Drives
32$ DVD Drive

totaling 1169$

:D now to save up and get it
once thats done ill put it together and play around for a week or so to see that everything is alright

then comes the overclocking :thumbsup:

ill keep you guys updated i guess

O_O and if you guys want to suggest another sumthing go ahead ill be checking on this thread every day or so

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Edited by LordDread, 27 June 2007 - 06:41 PM.





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