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Question About Necessity And Frequency Of Defragging Hard Drive
I cant believe I finally found a topic that pertained to me and my problem, I just joined this site after finding it on goggle, I have visited so many different forums from other sites that never discussed this problem.
I do have a question about can or cant defragment a partitioned drive, a week ago I bought an HP desktop XP Media center m7330n, I never had a computer with a partitioned drive before, when buying the computer from this fellow and after checking it out and everything was fine he gave me all manuals cables etc. I asked him where are the restore disc's, he said it didn't come with any, he almost lost the sale when I thought he was lying, after investigating he was right, I never heard of any computer that did not come with a restore and drive disc's, but HP for some reason decided not to do it that way, stupid idea if you ask me but nothing we can do about it.
The fellow told me if anything happens to my hardrive I can do a system restore from the d drive partition, also I can create them myself from HP create restore disc's, he also said whatever you do don't mess with the d drive at all, its a 250 hardrive on c, and about 10gb on d. OK advise well taken.
After bringing the computer home I used it for several days and set it up just the way I want it installing everything I needed and normally use, than I decided to clean everything up like I always did using my 3rd party software called systemsuite7 pro from VCOM.com, formally known as Ontrack which I used for years, it performs all kinds of cleanups including defragmenting etc.
The day I was going to make a copy of restore disc's I cleaned all temp files etc. and clicked on defrag, after doing so I walked away for several minutes, came back and noticed drive c was already defragmented but to my surprise it started to defrag drive d, I said oh oh, I decided not to stop it thinking maybe interrupting the defrag on the so called fragile d and let it go, the other surprise was it took about 8 min. to defrag c, but about an hour to defrg d, which was only 10gigs, than it stopped at 99% and just hung there, I waited another hour and than just shut it off.
Hoping of course I didn't ruin anything with d, than I opened the create your own restore disc's page, first it read in red, do not attempt to do anything with drive d, and also said you have only one shot in making the restore disc's, one shot? oh man did I screw up here with defragmenting d even though it was unintentional, and even if I successfully create it how do I really know if it will work after something goes wrong, and if that is not the only problem, trying to get an firm answer to this is worse than the possible problem I created.
Deciding on what to do, I knew I would have to contact VCOM, HP, or both, dealing with most 3rd party software's the answer you will probably get is since its an HP drive you will have to contact HP, as you most know than you can contact HP and they to can say its a VCOM issue contact them, does this pass the buck scenario bring back any memories? So I e-mailed support at HP and explained my concern about recovery disc's now and here was the answer.
I also see that you have performed a defragmentation on the D: drive
with a third-party application. We cannot assure that whether the
recovery partition has been affected by it since we do not have enough
expertise regarding how the third party application defragment the
I would suggest that you backup all the data and than perform a complete
destructive recovery to know if the drive has been affected or not.
To perform destructive recovery perform the steps given below.
CAUTION: If extra hard drives have been added to the HP Pavilion,
disconnect the IDE and power cable from the back of the
extra drive before performing a system recovery to
prevent data loss on the new drive.
CAUTION: Performing a Destructive Recovery will format the hard
drive. This will delete all the information on the hard
drive and reinstall Windows XP and the original software
that came with the PC. In this case, be prepared to
reinstall software that was not originally included
with the PC. You will also need to reconfigure an
Internet Connection and obtain all critical Windows
Updates, Virus definition updates, and anti-spyware
CAUTION: If the PC has a Personal Media Drive attached, remove
the drive before performing the recovery.
To perform Destructive Recovery, follow the steps below:
1. Disconnect all peripherals and internal non-preinstalled devices
from the PC, except the monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
2. Turn on the computer.
3. When the initial blue HP screen opens, press the F10 key repeatedly
until a recovery menu appears. The progress indicator that first
appears does not indicate that a recovery is taking place. The
progress indicator represents the time before the recovery process
4. When the Recovery screen opens, click Next.
5. Click Advanced, and then click Yes to perform a destructive
After the System Recovery is complete, and the computer starts
successfully, update the computer software by visiting the Web sites
* Update the system virus definitions
* Get the latest critical system updates using Microsoft's Windows
* Update the HP software on the system
This will reinstall the Windows XP Operating System and all the other
preinstalled software and drivers.
If the destructive recovery is successful than you can create a recovery
CDs as well as can be assured that the recovery partition is not
I hope the information that I have provided is useful to you. If you
further assistance, please reply to this message and we will be glad to
assist you further.
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I e-mailed them back and explained that I am a novice and what you guys are asking me to do is way over my head, also that you want me to erase everything and start again, after I finally found all my info and installed all my app's and software, which insistently I purchased over the internet and had such a hard time recovering or finding reg. keys that also will only let you use it one time more, I don't think so. After explaining that, here was the second response.
I can understand that you had found the steps to perform
a bit complicated. Please take your time to understand the process.
I would however recommend that you create the recovery CDs. We can
ship you the recovery CDs if something goes wrong during the recovery
process. However, please try and create the recovery CDs as it will
make you more familiar with the recovery process as well.
I hope you find the information useful. If you have any further queries
or concerns, please reply to this message. We will be glad to assist
Have a Nice Day!!
OK, what they don't tell you is first they want you to try everything and anything before they will even consider sending you actual restore disc's, its like pulling teeth, after talking to other people that have tried to obtain them about 10% were able to get them, they put you threw hell everyone said, most gave up and said they will try and obtain them from other non HP sites, I have found some but who knows how reputable anybody is, and I certainly don't want to get into a trail and error issue if my drive crashes and I find out what I bought doesn't work, but either way its not safe to own a computer without recovery disc' period, that's just common sense, either way I will make a copy from HP make your restore disc, if it works, and after a successful copy will it work later, and of course you wont really know unless it works until you try and do a complete restore which I don't want to do.
So here is my main and final question, am I just being paranoid here and all this means nothing, or is there a real issue here, is there an expert out there that actually knows if I could have done something to this so called sensitive partitioned d drive by accidentally defraging it, somebody please help, Thank You.
Edited by tg1911, 07 April 2007 - 06:35 AM.