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Is The Winxp Firewall An Actual Firewall


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#1 azulite

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 09:35 PM

Well i feel silly to ask.
Just got a new computer with WinXp Pro, and it is the first time i use winXp per se.

I am trying to unconfuse myself. WinXp comes with a Firewall..
but is it a worth firewall.. or should i just disable it full-time and get another firewall. I have trend micro, pccilin 2007 (unfortunately) Is the real-time Virus protection like a firewall, or should I disable that option and get another firewall?

In the past i only used the pc-cilin 2006 with the real time virus protection (with no other firewall) and never had a problem.

Sorry if these questions happen to be silly.
passing from win 98 to win xp pro is quite a jump for me :P
(thanks god i still could buy a computer without windows vista pre-installed :P)

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 09:39 PM

Disable the Windows Firewall, and use whatever else you have. Your computer will thank you in the long run.

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 09:49 PM

*grins*

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 10:19 PM

Ditto ... Dump the win wall
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Posted 17 March 2007 - 10:33 PM

Is the real-time Virus protection like a firewall

You need an antivirus, and a firewall.
They are 2 entirely different things.
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Posted 17 March 2007 - 11:41 PM

Dang technology :P
-well, I wasn't sure if "real time protection" was a "new" term for firewall-

Okay then let me ask, the trend micro pc-cilin Internet security 14 has a personal firewall.. is it reliable? Or should I just use pc-cilin as the AV (meaning i would disable their firewall) and get a firewall (in the freebies options available out there) ---and well I prolly need to get ad-aware (for spyware.. even though TM has spyware protection.. i just prefer ad-aware interface).

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 12:18 AM

May I make a few suggestions:
Comodo Firewall 2.4.18.184- http://www.comodo.com/
ZoneAlarm Free 7.0.302.0- http://www.zonelabs.com/

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 12:44 AM

I think all software firewalls are crap, personally.
I've never found a use for an application-level filter that most software firewalls come with, and 9 times out of 10 it hinders connectivity to the net instead of protecting it. That's why I simply stick to the SPI firewall built in to my router.

That said, I've ran several different portscanners while using just the Windows firewall, and it always shown itself to be safe and secure. If you're going to run a software firewall, I'd recommend using the Windows one instead of say, the Norton Personal Firewall or the McAfee firewall, because the both of those are horrible filthy applications. Posted Image
Zone Alarm isn't as bad as those two, but I've seen it screw people's computers up just the same, as well as confuse the crap out of them by inserting random "features" into their product like stopping all .gif files from animating without telling you!

I think the free versions of Sygate and Kerio are okay, but again, I've never needed to use them. When I was on dial up, I used the Windows firewall and it did everything I needed it to, which was precisely to block worm attacks and port exploits. When I put my wifi router w/ firewall on my DSL line I stopped using any software firewall because it was redundant and unnecessary.
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Posted 18 March 2007 - 12:56 AM

The problem with the Windows firewall, is that it only monitors incoming traffic.
A good firewall will monitor incoming, as well as outgoing, traffic.
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Posted 18 March 2007 - 01:16 AM

You should find the right firewall for your situation and set it up if you feel the Windows XP firewall is insufficient.

Every firewall WILL require some maintenance. Essentially checking for patches or upgrades (this goes for hardware and software solutions) is the extent of this maintenance. You may also have to configure your firewall to allow some traffic depending on your needs.

Don't stack the software firewalls! Running more than one software firewall will not make you safer..... it would possibly negate some protection you gained from one or the other firewall you've chosen to run.
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Posted 18 March 2007 - 01:52 PM

Dang technology :thumbsup:
-well, I wasn't sure if "real time protection" was a "new" term for firewall-

Okay then let me ask, the trend micro pc-cilin Internet security 14 has a personal firewall.. is it reliable? Or should I just use pc-cilin as the AV (meaning i would disable their firewall) and get a firewall (in the freebies options available out there) ---and well I prolly need to get ad-aware (for spyware.. even though TM has spyware protection.. i just prefer ad-aware interface).

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You know, Azulite, the question "what is the best...?" rarely gets the same answer, even from "experts".

If you have a paid version of the current Trend Micro PC-cillin Internet Security package, then you have a reasonable "suite" and, in my opinion, don't really need to replace any of it's portions with something else unless you really want to go through the effort. As long as you keep your OS updated, don't open unknown attatchments to emails, etc. and you aren't surfing, uh, untoward sites, it provides reasonable protection.

You should, as mentioned, disable XP's firewall, though. In this case, you have a better one in the TM suite, so you should use that one.

Even with the PC-Cillin suite, I would still have (and did when I was using PC-Cillin) the free Windows Defender running (although some might not recommend using Defender), and run at least weekly scans with Adaware and Spybot, and maybe an AV scan with one of the good, free, downloadable programs like AVG or Avast!. (Don't have them run "realtime", only do a manual scan with them. Also, I've found that they will scan faster if you temporarily shut down your main AV program - in this case PC-Cillin.)

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 03:13 PM

Thanks for all your advices.

So I'll use TM as AV and firewall for now and see how that goes.
I got a free webroot Spy sweeper program so I instlled that and i have the spywareblaster (just to block some of these spyware/dialer thingies to not install on the computer as i use dial up and had problem in the past. Calls in estonia are quite pricey from where i live :P I understand that spyware blaster is not a scanner).

So I would guess that if I keep everything updated (OS, TM, Spywareblaster and spy sweeper) and am careful in what I open and download I should be "quite" safe.

One question though. I know having two firewall or two AV running real time at the same tim is bad for my computer's ressources a well as for my computer's protection.. But what about having spyware sweeper and the TM real time protection.. do they conflict with each other or do they complement each other.?

(btw I would never ask what is best.. the best program is the one that is best for each of us.. not necessarly all of us :P)

Thanks again for your help

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 06:52 PM

Having two or more Anti-Spyware programs providing real-time protection causes conflicts and system slowdown. However, it is an excellent idea to have several anti-spyware programs installed to use for on-demand scanning as each program has different definitions of what spyware is. When scanning with it, it is a good idea to shut down the real-time protection of both the AV and the AS, so disconnect from the internet while doing the scans.

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 07:06 PM

Nice Signature, Orange blossom.
I totally agree :)

So in other words, on a regular basis when I am connected to the internet I should disable one of the two "real time protection, so or the SpySweeper or the AV from trend micro.

Sorry, i am double checking. I am just totally unsure about how TM works. If I turn off the "real time protection" does it turn off the firewall? Not sure if the TM "real time protection" is only for Virus or if it is for spyware too or if the "real time protection" also include the firewall :P

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 07:14 PM

What you want to have running in real-time protection is:

1 Firewall
1 Anti-Virus
1 Anti-Spyware

I don't know how Trend has its suite set up. You'll have to check to see if you can disable individual components of the suite.

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