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#1 Ataryu

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Posted 07 January 2005 - 07:58 AM

What's your opinion on software piracy?

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Posted 07 January 2005 - 08:11 AM

Software Piracy = a Criminal Act that's no different than robbing someone of money or other property.

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Posted 07 January 2005 - 10:48 AM

Software piracy is illegal, and with good reason.

Software Piracy = a Criminal Act that's no different than robbing someone of money or other property.

This however might not be such a good attitude, no insult intended. It just that it confuses a already complex issue even more.


So, I started wondering what software piracy really is, which resulted in some googling. Here on Microsoft’s anti-piracy site I found this little bit describing why piracy is bad:

and unfair competition.

Which I think is particularly rich coming from Microsoft. To make it even better I found this: Microsoft convicted of software piracy

After more digging I found an old Gamespy article with a bit of terminology:

Software piracy (the unlawful copying and distribution of software products), is the Bogeyman of the industry,

and

Although mainstream media has a habit of using liberally terms like "pirate," "cracker," and "hacker," the computer-literate community knows better. The term "pirate," as in "software pirate," relates to individuals who unlawfully distribute copyrighted software, either for lucrative reasons or not. A "cracker" is a person who removes or bypasses protections on software packages or on remote networks, and although protection removal is an integral part of a pirate's trade, it is not an illicit activity on its own. There are many people who indulge in "cracking" just for the challenge of it.

Finally, "a hacker" is a skilled computer enthusiast who delights in discovering new possibilities for hardware and software. Far from being criminals, true hackers are, and have been, the pioneers of computer technology. Many of the early hackers are now respected developers and hardware/software engineers. Many more are still involved in the underground demo world and Public Domain (shareware and freeware) software scenes.


And more I found this. Read it, it's a thought provoker.

In Redmond's eyes, a million pirated installs of Windows NT may still be preferable to a million installs of Linux.




This all brings back a few memories of my own encounters with software piracy. Back in what goes as high school here, there was this guy, this computer wiz, this hacker. You all know the type. Big glasses, very pale (would probably turn to ashes in sunlight), wears socks and sandals, strait A student. He was so cliché it wasn't even funny. Oh, and he had the morals of a toad.
Once I saw him handing a obviously home burnt CD to this other guy, who handed him 10 €. The teacher walked in at this moment and saw this. The hacker guy tells the teacher that he didn't see that and the teacher answers
"Saw what?" and winks at the hacker. Hmm...
This hacker guy was quite a figure. He had a laptop in his locker which he used to get onto the schools network. This actually proved to be useful and people learnt fast that going to him with problems with the schools network was faster and more effective than talking to the usually absent admin guy.
there was also this rumour that he had bought Windows NT 4.0 server in Estonia for 15€ but he told me once that he had only downloaded from the university’s server.
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Posted 08 January 2005 - 05:50 AM

Some say "Im not going to buy the software anyways, so it's not like their losing money"

I have to agree, Im poor; can't afford the software.
Piracy is the only way to go for us poor fokes.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 06:27 AM

Ataryu,

According to your rational, you won't mind then either if
the waif down the street steals your computer
and pirated software too because the waif is also too poor to buy them.
It's not as though the waif was going to buy the system from you,
so you didn't lose any money either... :thumbsup:

Perceived poverty is no excuse for criminal behavior. :flowers:

(I do hope you get a very good job and maybe your mindset will change.)

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 10:51 AM

I have to agree, Im poor; can't afford the software.
Piracy is the only way to go for us poor fokes.

I can only say that for just about every software application or Operating System, there are free equivalents, yours for the downloading.
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Posted 08 January 2005 - 12:37 PM

for just about every software application or Operating System, there are free equivalents

Amen brotha...
Being a Linux user i "always" have to find a free solution.
How does one define piracy? Copying and selling software...yes
Looking up reg codes on Google for shareware...debatable til the end of time.
Doom3 plays on Linux if you have the binaries,my frind has WinXP and Doom3.Does it make me a pirate for copying the files to my machine to play it? VCR's pirate TV shows as does Tivo (or any PVR). The laws are so unjust concerning whats right and wrong.It's illegal for me to watch a DVD (that i bought legally) on my Linux computer.Now, does that make any sense to anyone??
Windows uses the same technology to decode that movie,but thats OK?!?!?

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 11:05 PM

Ataryu,

According to your rational, you won't mind then either if
the waif down the street steals your computer
and pirated software too because the waif is also too poor to buy them. 
It's not as though the waif was going to buy the system from you,
so you didn't lose any money either...  :thumbsup:

Perceived poverty is no excuse for criminal behavior.  :flowers:

(I do hope you get a very good job and maybe your mindset will change.)

regards,
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But see there is a difference between hardware and software. If you steal a few PC's then yes, they are losing money in "physical" terms. When you buy a pc your paying for the harware(mostly). When you buy software your paying for the work. If you were never going to buy the software in the first place, then no one is losing any money.

See what im saying?

So your arguement is deluding.

Edited by Ataryu, 08 January 2005 - 11:08 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2005 - 11:27 PM

If you were never going to buy the software in the first place, then no one is losing any money.

Sure if one was never going to buy the software, then that was because one was never going to use it.

But the opposite is the case. One intends to use the software, but one intends not to pay for it.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 11:56 PM

The laws are so unjust concerning whats right and wrong.It's illegal for me to watch a DVD (that i bought legally) on my Linux computer.Now, does that make any sense to anyone??


You have to consider though that technology changes so quickly that the courts and laws can't keep up, so there are laws that don't make sense. That will eventually change, and as soon as they do, there will be more rediculous laws in place, and the courts will be trying to catch up again.

All systems of criminal justice have that same problem, and it extends to many other things. The death penalty has been around for years, and the courts swing back and forth, depending on which way the political winds blow...you can spank your children, but you can't smack a smart-assed punk...

When you buy software your paying for the work. If you were never going to buy the software in the first place, then no one is losing any money.


That's almost clever.

If I steal cable, then by your logic that is okay, because I never meant to buy it anyway, so nobody is losing money. Come on...you can do better than that. That's not even worthy of debate. Theft is theft. I can rationalize anything if I try hard enough.

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 12:15 AM

HAIL groovicus!



...That's not even worthy of debate. Theft is theft.


All thieves deserve full punishment under/according to the current laws....

And if one feels that the current laws are unfair, unjust, wrong, etc, there are means to change those laws....
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 02:54 AM

What's your opinion on software piracy?

I think the best step forward in the "fight" against software privacy was made when the philosphy of OPEN SOURCE was developed. The proliferation of excellent FREEWARE has resulted.

One problem:
People want windows.

WHY?
cause it's what it is.
practically universal.
And it's not free.
People want it because they do.
And it's not free.

Ever think something else could be universal?
Free & you pay for hardware and services?

If you want something that is not free...
well... better hardware, better services. Maybe.

Billions of people could benefit from using computers.
Millions of 'em do.
Whats stopping those that don't?

Hail OPEN SOURCE MOVEMENT & FREEWARE

Edited by phawgg, 09 January 2005 - 02:57 AM.

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 08:45 PM

Well, I bookmarked the Sydney Morning Herald Newspaper.
and...

I'm not sure what it is
that's much needed.

So I have to register?
To find out?
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Posted 10 January 2005 - 10:59 PM

Ataryu This should provide you with some much needed insight.



Here you go Phawgg. :thumbsup: This is a link to one of Koans news reports. What I did to mess it up. I don't know. :flowers:


http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ind...ht+infringement

Edited by scarlett, 10 January 2005 - 11:01 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 11:21 PM

This is :flowers:

But if one logs onto a news site that requires registration,
and one chooses not to do so, here is an alternative that
provides a generic, non-attributable log-in.

Simply copy the URL of the site, paste in the "BugMeNot" box,
and one will get a generic log-in to use on that news site.

:thumbsup:

BugMeNot dot com


//Scarlett - I don't think you did anything wrong, some of these news sites
make one register to read their material, install cookies of course, and
track you around.... It will often depend on where one accesses the
news site from as to whether or not a registration is required.//

Edited by KoanYorel, 11 January 2005 - 02:00 AM.

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