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#1 Klinkaroo

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 10:42 PM

I was thinking of going with Vista and had a little question. What is OEM because I was looking at tigerdirect.ca and the OEM version is alot less expensive. I could the Vista ultimate for 250$ wich is pretty appealing. Is this the full OS... Do I need to have XP installed before?

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P.S. Link to the page at Tigerdirect.ca http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...6&CatId=306

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 03:03 AM

An OEM version, as opposed to retail in a nice box, doesn't have a manual (my Ultimate manual is next to useless) nor do you get Microsoft technical support. This does NOT mean that you will not get Windows Updates, it just means that Microsoft won't be much of a help if something happens. The OEM version allows for an Upgrade install (I think) and definitely allows for clean installs. I have heard rumors that the license for the OEM isn't transferable to other computers. For more info, check this out: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2087792,00.asp

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 03:07 AM

OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer.

It's strange how an original manufacturer won't support their own work.... Oh Well.

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 03:10 AM

I guess they figure that Dell or some other manufacturer will be support. Nevertheless, most people, or at least I don't, call Microsoft with problems so this may be a non-issue depending on the user.

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 08:24 AM

This is the best comparison chart I have come across - you might find it interesting.
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_02.asp

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 08:40 AM

I just ran across this article in a newsletter that I get. It's linked here. FWIW.

Get Vista upgrade, never pay full price

Many people are upset by the fact that the economical, "upgrade" version of Vista won't accept a Windows XP or Windows 2000 CD-ROM as proof of ownership. Vista Upgrade is said to install only to a hard disk that already has XP or 2000 already on it.

But I've tested a method that allows you to clean-install the Vista upgrade version on any hard drive, with no prior XP or W2K installation or even a CD required.

Save by avoiding the 'full' version

It's reasonable for us to ask ourselves whether buying an upgrade version of Vista, and then installing it to an empty hard disk that contains no previous version of Windows, is ethical.

I believe it is. Microsoft itself created the upgrade process. The company designed Vista to support upgrading it over a previously installed copy of XP, W2K Pro, or Vista itself. This isn't a black-hat hacker exploit. It's something that's been deliberately programmed into the approved setup routine.

We should also think about whether instances of Vista that were installed using the clean-install method will continue to operate. I believe that this method will continue to be present in Vista DVDs at least until Microsoft begins distributing the Service Pack 1 edition of Vista around fall 2007.

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 04:01 PM

OEM licenses are supposed to be purchased with a complete new system that is being put together from parts. Software vendors rarely enforce that restriction though allowing you to purchase the license without buying any hardware. A stipulation of OEM licenses is that you will not get support from Microsoft on them and you can not transfer the license to another computer. The license is designed to only be for the computer it was originally installed on.

It's strange how an original manufacturer won't support their own work.... Oh Well.


No this makes total sense. Microsoft gives a significant discount to system builders so that they will support the operating system. Its fair.

I just ran across this article in a newsletter that I get. It's linked here. FWIW.


Yup we have the process here:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/79852/how-to-perform-a-clean-vista-install-using-a-vista-upgrade-product-key/

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 08:46 PM

Thanks for the tips...

But at tigerdirect.ca

Windows Vista Ultimate OEM is 254$
Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade is 394$

Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade 190$
Windows Vista Home Premium OEM 153$

So would the OEM give me all the features of Windows Vista Ultimate?

BTW I got an AMD Turion 64 in my laptop should I get the 64 bit version??

Edited by Klinkaroo, 01 February 2007 - 08:53 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2007 - 09:49 PM

There is no functional difference between an OEM and a normal license.

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 09:55 PM

So OEM it is...

Going to check the budget and I guess I will get Windows Vista Ultimage OEM

Thanks for the help...

About the second question... If I got an AMD Turion 64 should I get the 64 bit version?

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 12:18 AM

Keep in mind that, unlike the full non-Upgrade versions of Vista, a 64-bit disc isn't included. You have to specifically order the 64-bit version. There isn't alot of software designed exclusively for a 64 bit processor. Plus, depending on your hardware, drivers can be a problem for the 64 bit Vista. Generally, 64-bit Vista will run most of your 32-bit apps just fine as long as they don't try to install drivers. If you have reasonably new hardware this shouldn't be an issue. I have noticed that companies which make drivers for Vista are almost always guaranteed to have both 32 and 64 bit drivers available. Whether or not they have Vista drivers that aren't in beta is another answer entirely. I've been running 64 bit Ultimate and played a few games. I haven't had any problems with it so far. If you're considering taking the plunge into the 64 bit environment, check your current hardware and software to make sure they will run.

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 04:53 PM

Well I bought my computer in September.

It's an Acer Aspire 5043

I think the hardware should handle it.

Yes I noticed I had to specifically order it that is why I am asking since if I order the 64 bit and it doesn't work with I can't fall back to the 32 bit...

Here is a quick summary of the specs:

--------[ EVEREST Home Edition © 2003-2005 Lavalys, Inc. ]------------------------------------------------------------

Version EVEREST v2.20.405
Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/
Report Type Report Wizard
Computer ANDREW
Generator Andrew
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2006-09-09
Time 19:18


--------[ Summary ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Computer Name ANDREW
User Name Andrew

Motherboard:
CPU Type Mobile AMD Turion 64 ML-32, 1800 MHz (9 x 200)
Motherboard Name Acer Aspire 5040
Motherboard Chipset ATI Radeon Xpress 200M, AMD Hammer
System Memory 448 MB (PC2700 DDR SDRAM)
BIOS Type Phoenix (04/21/06)

Display:
Video Adapter ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M Series (64 MB)
Video Adapter ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M Series (64 MB)
3D Accelerator ATI Radeon Xpress 200M (RS482M)
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter ATI SB450 - High Definition Audio Controller

Storage:
IDE Controller Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Disk Drive HTS541060G9AT00 (60 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Optical Drive HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4082N
SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (FAT32) 26351 MB (8132 MB free)
D: (FAT32) 26845 MB (18046 MB free)
Total Size 51.9 GB (25.6 GB free)

Input:
Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse Logitech HID-compliant Cordless Mouse
Mouse Synaptics PS/2 Port TouchPad

Network:
Network Adapter Atheros AR5005G Wireless Network Adapter (192.168.1.102)
Network Adapter Realtek RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC
Modem HDAUDIO Soft Data Fax Modem with SmartCP

Peripherals:
Printer \\MAIN\Canon iP1600
Printer via Staples Copy & Print
USB1 Controller ATI SB450 - USB Controller
USB1 Controller ATI SB450 - USB Controller
USB2 Controller ATI SB450 - USB 2.0 Controller
USB Device USB Composite Device
USB Device USB Human Interface Device
USB Device USB Human Interface Device
Battery Microsoft AC Adapter
Battery Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Control Method Battery

Edited by Klinkaroo, 03 February 2007 - 05:21 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2007 - 01:18 PM

Windows Vista Ultimate
system requirements

* 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
* 1 GB of system memory
* 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
* Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:
o WDDM Driver
o 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)
o Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware
o 32 bits per pixel
* DVD-ROM
* Audio Output
* Internet access (fees may apply)

Additional requirements to use certain features

* TV tuner card required for TV functionality (compatible remote control optional)
* Windows Tablet and Touch Technology requires a Tablet PC or a touch screen
* Windows BitLocker Drive Encryption requires a USB Flash Drive and a system with a TPM 1.2 chip

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 04:45 PM

Those are the only two things? Because I was planning to put in an extra gig to make 1.5 gigs. And the video card is set to 64 mb becaues it is shared memory but when I get 1.5 gigs I will set that to 128... So I guess i'm good to go?

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Posted 10 February 2007 - 04:41 PM

Keep in mind that you may be able to install it and run Vista, but the graphics memory should be higher if you plan on gaming or are running memory intensive programs.

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