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Religion And Suicide


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#1 ryan_w_quick

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 02:26 PM

Just as a preface, I think that this discussion should be only between those who practice a religion that calls the Holy Bible its holy book, but I guess that Catholics are OK, too.

1) Do you think that committing suicide sends you strait to hell?
2) If yes or no, do you have any biblical proof of scripture from the Bible to back it up?

I am split with many in my religion. Being a protestant, I believe in the concept of being saved, and that once God has accepted you, you have salvation forever, and that suicide cannot change this. However, some others who claim the same religion as me, see it as committing suicide will send you strait to hell, because you can't be forgiven since you are already dead. I do not agree with their reasoning, because this would mean that if you did not pray right before you died, there is a good chance that you would have sinned before you died, therefore cannot ask for forgiveness, and therefore go to Hell.

What do you think?

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Posted 27 December 2006 - 07:27 AM

1st of, I am Catholic (you may want to stop here!)

These are only my thoughts.

I believe in a forgiving God that will give us every chance to be with Him in heaven. He gives us opportunities and sends people to help us make the right choices. But we are all flawed.

Many people die of horrible physical disease...and God permits this to happen. If we have a mental disease, we may not have a choice or be capable of making the right choice.

God makes the rules...only He knows what is in a person's heart.

God's Peace to All,

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Edited by brain_dead, 27 December 2006 - 06:59 PM.


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Posted 27 December 2006 - 12:22 PM

The last time I noticed, Roman Catholics took the Bible as their "holy book."

What would count as " biblical proof of scripture from the Bible?" and WHICH Bible counts? WHOSE interpretation of the text?

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Posted 27 December 2006 - 03:34 PM

"Just as a preface, I think that this discussion should be only between those who practice a religion that calls the Holy Bible its holy book, but I guess that Catholics are OK, too". Eep!!

Re: God makes the rules...only He knows what is in a person's heart. - beautifully said, brain_dead!

(Won't post in this topic again in respect for ryan's request, but if more Christians had this gentle, tolerant belief, I suspect there would be more people believing in Christianity).
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Posted 31 December 2006 - 04:41 AM

er, I don't believe in ANY bible? Can I post? Dude, you claim to follow your bible and yet you do not love me enough to allow me to post here? Are you serious?

Suicide will not send you straight to hell. I don't think anyone that does not have an "excusable" medical condition would ever think of suicide. So there, would your god discriminate against the mentally ill?

IMHO

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Posted 01 January 2007 - 07:56 PM

I have read the Bible ( both NIV and NLT translations). I have found no specific prohibitions against suicide. the teaching in the church against suicide is a man made teaching that has some scriptural basis. the bible does, in many, places tell us not to give in to despair. suicide is the complete surrendering to despair that results in a person taking their life. It is not specifically against scripture (at least from my understanding of it) to commit suicide. However, if a person has put their faith and trust in Jesus ( i.e. that are a christian), then God's Holy Spirit can help them through this despair until it is gone.


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Posted 04 January 2007 - 09:10 PM

We are already in the Hell, because Hell is here on our Planet.
Think about Darfur, Palestine, Chechnya, Iraq and many other places where is almost impossible to live.
I think the Hell is definitively here.

Edited by Darthy, 04 January 2007 - 09:14 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2007 - 11:29 PM

Interestingly enough, Darthy, you aren't alone in your thinking. Many people honestly feel that there is no hell after life, rather 'Heaven' and 'Hell' exist right here on earth.

I know I said I wasn't going to post here because Ryan specifically asked only Christians post in this thread, but do hope he will understand when I say that surely there must be good Christians who think 'My God, why have you forsaken me?!' when things become truly an ongoing nightmare right here on earth, as Darthy mentioned. Gentle sad sigh.

Ryan, I hope so much you will forgive me for even broaching this, but if it's a friend of yours that is discussing these questions with you and seeking answers, please keep a 'head's up' lest your friend is truly in despair and wondering for more than an academic reason. Sadly, not all people considering suicide are able to call out for help in obvious ways, perhaps.
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Posted 05 January 2007 - 06:31 AM

It is my belief (and not my original thought) that the Old Testament shows God to be, intolerant, revengeful, and distant.
While after Christ...He is forgiving and tolerant. God becoming man and giving Himself for us has made the difference.
Well-meaning Christians who site the Old Bible (which I believe still has great value) in condemnation, have not considered the Eternal Word of the New Testament.

Please understand-I am not a holy person or a person of great prayer...I go to Mass and follow my faith and learn from it.
I believe not to follow and not to hand-down to my children my beliefs-is ignoring the sacrifice that was made for me some 2000 years ago.

Humility is the ultimate teaching of Christ...forgotten by many.

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Posted 14 February 2007 - 12:04 PM

Suicide is man's way of telling God, "You can't fire me--I quit!"
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 12:58 AM

Though the reasons given for suicide are many and various, underlying them all is a deep and profound despair in which all hope - at least in this life - is lost.

I have been torn in my mind for several weeks about posting this next part, but I have finally decided to.

No, emphatically no, one does not automatically 'go straight to hell' if one commits suicide. I know this having been told by a loving, caring, strong presence that I had to go back - here to this life - after one of my countless suicide attempts (I wanted to go home.) in my youth (as in 10-16 years old). No, no-one knew about that mess while it was going on.

By the way, brain_dead, there is a lot of forgiveness in the Old Testament.

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Posted 21 February 2007 - 02:05 AM

I admire your courage, Orange Blossom - gentle hug.

How odd in our society where sex and drugs and cruelty are often spoke of, it's so rare that suicide or death is even mentioned. Again, I admire your courage and I'm so incredibly happy that the attempts were unsuccessful, truly I am! More gentle hugs!
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 11:26 AM

i just wanted to say that i don't believe people who commit suicide go to hell. i don't believe in hell. we all contribute to our own deaths everyday, how can one action be considered more important than the other?

Orange Blossom, what you wrote takes true humility and humanity, and i thank you for your candor. i too am pleased that you succeeded in life rather than death. :thumbsup:
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 06:26 PM

er, I don't believe in ANY bible? Can I post? Dude, you claim to follow your bible and yet you do not love me enough to allow me to post here? Are you serious?


Those who are not religious would have no need to post anyways since its about religion and suicide so what would someone post if they had no religion?

So he was not being mean he just wanted to know from someone who has a religion and what they think.

Edited by cowsgonemadd3, 21 February 2007 - 06:28 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2007 - 08:54 PM

Here's a great site that covers the topic pretty well in my opinion.

Carm.org on suicide

It even talks about the different "types" of suicide.




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