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#1 locally pwned

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 07:02 AM

As we all know by now, the Democrats have won a healty majority in the house and it looks very likely that they will win a majority in the senate as well.

Personally, I am very happy with this election. I think it is fair to say that the results of this election show that the American public is tired of Bush's follies and ready for new direction.

The question is, will the Democrats deliver?

On one hand, there's a lot of damage; there are many problems that we face today. How much can be done in the next two years?

On the other hand, I think the Democrats are going to be willing to embrace bipartisanship...and I think most Republicans will follow suit. After all, it's clear that any Republican who blindly supports Bush won't get very far; I think they will be very willing to work with the Democrats.

If the Democrats are wise, they won't pull a "Newt Gingrich" (ala early 90's sudden GOP control of the congress) and grow arrogant. I really do hope the changing of the guard will usher in new cooperation rather than more partisan battles. But we'll just have to wait and see.

If the Democrats can keep focus and begin to turn things around, the stage will be set for another Democrat in the White House. But then, I think '08 is pretty wide open...it could be either party that gets there. Personally, I would be fine with a Republican again if he/she was truly moderate and a real leader...someone who understands that one can be strong yet temperate; someone understands the idea of compromise; someone who is thoughtful, intelligent, and bases his/her decisions on observable facts rather than ideology alone. One way or another, I wouldn't want to see another president so far to the right...or the left; I think a president should represent all US citizens.

Well anyway, I will get off the stump. I just have to say, these have been dark years for the US...finally a breath of fresh air!
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#2 Heretic Monkey

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 01:21 AM

I'm happy that the dems took over, so now it seems bush may not be able to walk all over the lower houses. When the repubs were in power, it seemed like bush had a stranglehold on them and pretty much made all the decisions of the country.

However, i'm hesitant to state that the following years will be better than the past. The US is in a LOT of crap right now. It definately won't be easy to fix.

And i'm sure all the republicans are going to moan, complain, and point fingers when the dems don't solve everything in a few weeks...

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 01:32 AM

As Forest Gump's Momma said... "stupid is as stupid does..."

Voters are like...

"life is like a box of choc...."

Buckle up, it's gonna be a wild ride from here on.

Kiss your safety and freedoms behind in the USA.

Democraps in charge?
The only easy day was yesterday.

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 05:14 AM

I'm not sure how to feel yet, I'm not crazy about ANY President with Congress controled by his party. I think that makes things too easy for them. I'm not sure I like this Nancy Pelosi(?) either. From what I've seen and heard it makes no difference to her if the idea is a good one or not, if comes from the Republicans, she hates it. These people are not there do what they want, they were elected to do what we want. To speak for us, not what they think should be done because we are just little people who don't know how Washington works.
It's been a very long time since I've been comfortable with who is in office. :thumbsup:
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Posted 10 November 2006 - 08:10 AM

I am from Australia and I find your electoral system fraught with danger. Having both houses in the control of an opposition party seems incongruous. Surely if the Republicans have lost, then their leader loses his role and the leader of the winning party becomes president. That way at least the winning party keeps control of at least, the lower house, with the senate then becoming the house of review. If the party wins both houses then it becomes the house of support, read rubber stamping, but hey thats how the people voted.
America cannot function for the next two years with any kind of direction and will become even more introverted.
All very strange

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 09:00 AM

KOANYOREL: VERY WELL SAID!! With your proximity to DC, I was getting worried about you; I do not know how you have sustained your sanity, you sure have got your perspective straight!! DEMOCRATS JUST DO NOT GET IT. THE PUBLIC DID NOT VOTE FOR A CHANGE TO THEIR BRAND OF FASCISM!! THE MAJORITY OF AMERICAN DESPISE WHAT DEMOCRATS REPRESENT!!! NO ONE SUPPORTED THEM OR GAVE CREDENCE TO THEIR VALUES!!! THIS MAY BE A MELTDOWN, YET, IT IS NOT A REFERENDUM ON CONSERVATIVES, IT IS A REFERENDUM ON BUSH'S DERELICT PERFORMANCE. GET IT TO YOUR BLOATED BRAIN CELLS, THIS IS NOT - I REPEAT -NOT A VOTE IN SUPPORT OF DEMOCRATS' VALUES!!! IT IS A VOTE FOR CHANGE OF DIRECTION! FOR THE TENABLE TRUTH, PLEASE EXAMINE THE LOCAL PROPOSITIONS, IT WILL REVEAL THAT AMERICANS IN REALITY ARE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES!! THEY DO NOT APPROVE OF BUSH'S SPENDING LIKE A DRUNKEN SAILOR MENTALITY , AND THE MISMANAGEMENT OF IRAQ WAR WITH INNUMERABLE LOST OF LIVES WITH NO END NEAR-NO VICTORY-FESTERING ONWARD INTO CIVIL WAR- OUR SOLDIERS SUFFERING IN THE HAND OF THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT WITH MILITARY'S HANDS BEING CONSTRAINT BY WDC'S MBA MINDSET. THEY FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY, BUT THEY ARE TREATED LIKE TRASH AND PROSECUTED LIKE CRIMINALES BY THIS GOVERNMENT(RUMSFELD AUTO SIGNED SOLDIERS' DEATH CERTIFICATES, NOT ACCEPTABLE!!). ADDITIONALLY, A FACT THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NOT ADMITTED IS BUSH IS ONE OF THEIR OWN, HE IS A LIBERAL( LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THE SPEECH HE GAVE THE FOLLOWING DAY -IN A RESPONSE TO AN IMMIGRATION QUESTION), THE SPEECH WILL CLARIFY AND IDENTIFY WHO OR WHAT HE REALLY IS ALL ABOUT. FROM THAT STATEMENT HE MADE( with glee), HE HAS IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AS A LIBERAL! IF HE APPROVES THE IMMIGRATION BILL WITH THAT SPECIFIC CLAUS OF AMNESTY FOR THE ILLEGAL ALIENS , THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY! AMERICAN WILL NOT STAND FOR IT. SO WAKE UP DEMOCRATS, DON'T COUNT ALL YOUR CHICKENS YET!! THE MEDIAS, DON'T BE SO SURE YOUR TREASONOUS CIRCUS ACTS HAS PAID OFF(DEMOCRATS MAY JUST DECIDE TO INVESTIGATE YOUR TREASONOUS ACTS OF PUBLISHING CLASSIFIED INFORMATIONS INTURN AIDING THE ENEMY IN TIME OF WAR AND PLACING OUR SOLDIERS' LIFE IN JEOPARDY)!! WELL, FOR YOU ALL WHO IDENTIFYS WITH THE DEMOCRATS, THERE WILL BE A RUDE AWAKENING AS TO WHAT YOU HAVE MYOPICALLY INVITED INTO YOUR HOUSE!! I IMPLORE YOU TO EXAMINE THE RECORD OF PELOSHI, THE ULTRA LIBERAL SAN FRANCISCO FASCIST WHO MARCHED TO THE TUNE OF SOCIALISM WITH ALL THE SOCIAL ILKES AND FRINGE ELEMENTS OF SAN FRANCISCO. IT IS NOT RICE O RONI ANYMORE, IT IS PELOSHI, THE ALA SAN FRANCISCO TREATS( THE SAN FRANCISCO VALUES OF ANTI- FLAG, AND ANTI- AMERICA)!! ALSO, CHECKOUT THE LINEUP OF CHARACTERS FOR ALL THE KEY POSITIONS IN CONGRESS, IT WILL BE A THREE RING CIRCUS( BUSH, SENATE, HOUSE)!! WATCH OUT, YOUR RIGHTS WILL BE QUICKLY ERODED AS SOON AS YOU THINK YOU HAVE ARRIVED IN POWER. IN DEMOCRATS' HAND, THERE WILL BE NO GOOD OF THINGS TO COME!! IT WILL BE AS STUPID, AS STUPID IS GOING TO GET! WHY DO YOU THINK USA IS THE BUTT OF JOKES IN THE WORLD'S EYE AND PERCEIVED AS WEAK AND NO WILL !! THIS ALSO HAS EMBOLDENED TERRORIST, IN WHICH I HAVE HEARD AN ATTACK WILL ARRIVE SOONER UNDER MS. PELOSI THAN AS IS UNDER CONSERVATIVE'S WING OF SECURITY. DEMOCRATS, DON'T LAUGH TOO SOON OR YOU WILL SEE WHO WILL HAVE THE LAST LAUGH SOON! I CAUTION PELOSHI (FOR THE DEMOCRATS AS WELL) TO WATCH WHERE SHE STEPS OR HER FACELIFTS MAY FALL DISGRACEFULLY!! PELOSHI IS A PERSONIFICATION OF HYPOCRISY, WHOM LIKE TO ESPOUSE LIES, AND HIDES OR CLAIMS TO FIGHT FOR THE SAKE OF CIVIL LIBERTY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE(BUT WE SEE THROUGH HER FACELIFTS AS DISINGENUOUS AND DUPLICITIES) !! DEMOCRATS HAS BEEN COMMITTING HARI KARI(AS KERRY DID),THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT ENGAGE IN SCURRILOUS ATTACKS WHILE ON THE GOVERNMENT DOUGH, WASTING TAXPAYERS' TIME AND ENERGY AND MONEY(IGNORING THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES, AND AMNESIA AS TO WHY THEY ARE AT DC, AND WHO THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO REPRESENT). WE QUESTION THEIR LEGITIMACY(ALL OF THEM MERITS WALKING PAPER). THEY HAVE BEEN BRINGING THIS GOVERNMENT DOWN. AMERICAN,THERE IS A CHECK AND BALANCE CRISIS, AND IT IS NOT GOING TO BE PRETTY WITH A BUNCH OF BUFFOONS RUNNING THE COUNTRY. WILL, YOU DUMB AMERICAN VOTERS VOTED IN A BUNCH OF DUMB CARPETBAGGERS, THERE WILL BE A DUMB FUTURE STARING AT YOUR FACE WHEN YOU WAKEUP EVERY MORNING FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. YOU GOT CHANGE(AND WILL BE CRYING FOR CHANGE SOON), GOOD LUCK AMERICA!! BOY, NOW THEY BETTER PERFORM OR WILL BE BROUGHT DOWN WITH THEIR MUGS EXPOSED ON "THE America Most Wanted". HOLD ON TO YOUR PURSES, TAX HIKE IS COMING. LOOKOUT, WHERE IS THE THUNDERBUCKET?? GOD HELP AMERICA, AND HAVE MERCY ON ITS INNOCENT CITIZENS. WHERE IS THE EXIT DOOR ?? BUCKLEUP FOR SAFETY!!!-HERE THEY GO AGAIN........ TAKE CARE AND AND GO OUT AND SPREAD THE GOSPEL OF LOVE(TO YOUR DEMOCRAT NEIGHBORS TOO). ................................... WARMLY. YOYO. :thumbsup:

Edited by MGBY, 10 November 2006 - 11:26 AM.


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Posted 10 November 2006 - 09:22 AM

What is the difference between Tweedledum and Tweedledummer? Unfortunately the legislative process in the US has become so party-partisan in nature that any sort of patriotic statemanship that attempts to be responsible to the electorate is practically impossible.
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Posted 10 November 2006 - 09:48 AM

John: In the given context, would you mind explain what is the difference between Tweedledum and Tweedledummer ?? Thank you. YOYO. :thumbsup:

Edited by MGBY, 10 November 2006 - 09:50 AM.


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Posted 10 November 2006 - 10:02 AM

I believe Koan and I are on the same page here...

As Forest Gump's Momma said... "stupid is as stupid does..."

Voters are like...

"life is like a box of choc...."

Buckle up, it's gonna be a wild ride from here on.

Kiss your safety and freedoms behind in the USA.

Democraps in charge?


Fasten your seatbelts folks!
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Posted 10 November 2006 - 02:04 PM

The way i look at it, usa is being driven by the same thing, a drunk driver that can be likened to bush. Repubs, however, took the drunk driver's word and didn't wear seatbelts.....

Maybe now soldiers will stop dying in record numbers and privacy and logic will return to the US......

Edited by Heretic Monkey, 10 November 2006 - 02:06 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2006 - 03:38 PM

HERETICMONKEY: I JUST LIKE TO ASK YOU: DID THE DEMOCRATS/LEFT PLAYED ANY ROLE IN GETTING OUR SOLDIERS KILLED??? DID THE LEFTIST EMBOLDEN THE TERRORIST??? DID THE LEFT TAKE ANY ACTION SECURING THIS COUNTRY'S BORDER??? WAS THEIR ANY ABSENT OF LOGIC OR REASONING ON THE LEFT??? WHERE WAS THE LEFTIST IN SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS IN THE WAR FRONT??? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE LEFT REGARDING IRAN OR NORTH KOREA'S NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION ??? DID THEY TAKE ANY ACTION AGAINEST CHINA WHO HAS BEEN STEALING ARM SECRETS FROM US??? HOW COME THE LEFT HAS BEEN SILENT ON ISRAEL BEEN THREATENED BY IRAN??? I SUGGEST YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COME TO ANY CONCLUSION. THIS NOT ONLY REFLECTS YOU HAVE BEEN REMISS IN NOT FACILITATING THE WHOLE TRUTH, AS WILL AS YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PROPERLY INFORMED. I SEEM TO RECALL CLEARLY: A PROMINENT LEFTIST NEW YORK NEWSPAPER (FULL OF ARROGANCE), BLATANTLY PUBLISHED CLASSIFIED INFOS??? DO YOU RECALL??? WAS THEIR ACTIONS UNCONSCIONABLE, TREASONOUS, COMPROMISING OUR SOLDIERS' LIFE??? THERE ARE INNUMERABLE EXAMPLES TO SUBSTANTIATE LEFTIST ACTIVITIES THAT HAS EMASCULATED THIS COUNTRY'S SECURITY , AND ENDANGERED OUR SOLDIERS' LIFE!!! PLEASE GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT. PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT. READ UP AND BE INFORMED FROM THE RIGHT SOURCES. HAVING FREE SPEECH MEANS BEING RESPONSIBLE. Take care. YOYO. :thumbsup:

Edited by MGBY, 10 November 2006 - 05:21 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2006 - 04:24 PM

I believe Koan and I are on the same page here...


Yeah, what you said

"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster"

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 05:41 PM

A BUNCH OF CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!

Here's a better question. Why is it that you feel the need to type in all caps?

As per the majority of your questions (the ones i bothered to read, my eyes hurt looking at the caps), it indisputable that republicans are responsible for the majority of the deaths of us soldiers in iraq, considering they were the ones that fudged the "information" causing us to go after wmd's that didn't exist. I'd love to find a handful of people that still believe the war in iraq is worth fighting, and worth losing thousands of more soldiers over. How many lives must be lost before bush realizes that the "mission accomplished" he claimed over 3 years ago was complete bull.

How do you claim that you're "supporting the troops" when you support sending them to their graves over a war founded on false information, and battles still fought over yards of land and "democracy"?

I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt the dems can screw over this country any more than has already been done.

Edited by Heretic Monkey, 10 November 2006 - 05:42 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2006 - 08:33 PM

Heretic Monkey: Have you read the guideline for SPEAKEASY?? We are talking, and I will be glad to talk to you, but how can we have a productive dialogue, when you are with hostility, contempt, & hurling insult at me? Why do you need to resort to lack of civility 1). Of your questions: Only you hold the answer to the first question you had asked. Just ask yourself why do you do things certain way. 2). What you have written in your post spoke volumes and substantiated what I have delineated on this topic!! 3).Before we can go any further, please look up in the dictionary what "indisputable", and "civility" mean, afterward we should be able to have a productive dialogue. Will speak to you later. Thanks. Regards. YOYO. :thumbsup:

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 10:00 PM

Sorry if I take this in a slightly different direction.. but this just further paves the way for Russ Feingold to run for President in '08. Feingold was one of the few senators to actually read the Patriot Act before voting on it, hence the reason he voted against it.

I do hope this new congress is, at the very least, more productive and more ethical than our last one.

Oh and MGBY,

indisputable = not disputable
civility = training in the humanities, or a civilized conduct; a polite act or expression

I don't see what what insults you claim Heretic Monkey hurled at you. Seems to me he was just speaking his mind.
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