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Security Software For New Machine


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Poll: Security Software For New Machine (4 member(s) have cast votes)

Which option do you recommend? (excluding free programs)

  1. NOD32 + ZA Pro (Firewall + Anti-Spyware) (2 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. Kaspersky Internet Security 6.0 (AV + Firewall + Anti-Spyware + More) (2 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

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#1 amking

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 08:54 AM

hio~


well its that time again for me... time to re-evaluate my protection software choices/options for a new machine thats about to arrive.

generally in the past (for my own machines) i've used paid for/subscription based security programs (starting way back with the original norton products... which i stopped using a long time ago D:). i will say that i have had decent experience with some of the "free stuff" on other people's machines (friends/family), but for the sake of this thread lets stick to the solutions that generally cost money (not everything has to cost $$$, but at a minimum the av stuff).

basically what i'm considering are the following two vague routes:

1) nod32 + ZA Pro (has anti-spyware... or + ewido)

2) kaspersky internet security 6.0 (+ maybe a different firewall?)

i've always liked nod32 for its tiny footprint and setup, but kaspersky seems to continue to get the better ratings (dont worry about cost so much here). it also seems to protect against more (rootkits/etc)... and looks like its not such a resource hog anymore.

so my concerns are:

-how does kaspersky's anti-spyware and firewall compare to the likes of ZA and ewido? (or substitute in your own recommendation for those two categories of programs)

-is it better to go with an all-in-one program bundle or with specialized stuff like zone alarm for firewall protection?

-would it be silly to run another major anti-spyware program on top of the kaspersky's suite or ZA Pro (and just not install certain components)?


so if you could please recommend which avenue you think would be best and why, i'd appreciate it - oh and i'm definately open to trying other things, i just generally stick with what i know or have read a little about!

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 09:05 AM

after a little closer inspection of kaspersky's anti-spyware tab, it doesn't look like it necessarily takes the same approach or does quite the same things as something like spysweeper (have used) or ewido/etc.... ie doesnt deal with tracking cookies and such, or list the processes&serives running/startup stuff/network traffic by process, so i dunno :X

also, i guess i forgot to mention above that i still do install/utilize things such as spyware blaster, adaware, spybot s&d, etc :thumbsup:


edit: i guess what it is i'm looking for is good av (with active scanner?) + solid software firewall + one active anti-spyware scanner? (and then obviously a couple of the "normal" non-active ones listed above). would love for that to be bundled if possible... but only if its good!

Edited by amking, 17 October 2006 - 09:13 AM.


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Posted 17 October 2006 - 10:27 AM

Let me discuss the question "Is it better to go with an all-in-one program bundle or with specialized stuff like zone alarm for firewall protection?"

On the face of it, the simplicity and ease of use of a bundled package seems to recommend its choice. However, this does tie you to one company's product the components or modules of which are not always of equal strength. Many of these packages have been pieced together by purchasing other companies' products; even if these were excellent when purchased, they are generally not developed as fiercely as they would be by a company whose focus is on that one module, and the original expertise of developers may be disappated in the larger organisation.
Another point to consider is that the marriage of many different applications and source codes is not always a happy one when it comes to system resources and disk space.
I much prefer knowing that I have configured my security and protection using the best available products, and that I can easily swap out one part of the layer if I find a better product, or encounter performance problems with one module, without having to completely change the entire apparatus.

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 05:40 PM

I much prefer knowing that I have configured my security and protection using the best available products, and that I can easily swap out one part of the layer if I find a better product, or encounter performance problems with one module, without having to completely change the entire apparatus.


yeah, thats one area i'm sort of worried about... if i go with KIS 6.0 i cant just swap out pieces of the program if i'm having issues with it (well, i can by not installing certain portions, but then what's the point of that expensive software?). i still am going back and forth between the two options in the poll.... for now i think i'll try KIS 6.0 on one machine for the full trial, and install nod32 + zone alarm + (recommend other anti-spyware programs?) on the new machine for a full trial... and keep the winner!

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 05:58 PM

Certainly any single anti-spyware application (even if in a bundle) should not be the sole part of the layered protection, because the criteria of spyware currently differs between one company and another---what one does not find, the other (s) may. I would recommend Spybot, Ad-AwareSE, and AVG A-S; these three are perhaps the most used stand-alone products with solid reputations.
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Edited by jgweed, 17 October 2006 - 05:59 PM.

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 06:24 AM

A layered approach using dedicated aps is far better than any combo bloatware.

Freeware AntiSpyware and Security Programs

Software firewalls with freeware versions
(Run only one and disable the ineffective Windows XP firewall)

ZoneAlarm (freeware) V. 6.5.722
http://www.download.com/ZoneAlarm/3000-10435_4-10039884.html
(you can have only one software firewall running. More than one will conflict)

Comodo firewall (freeware)
http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/

Antivirus programs - freeware
(you can only use one resident anti-virus program on your computer. More than one will conflict)

AVG:
http://www.grisoft.com/doc/289/lng/us/tpl/tpl01

Avast Anti-virus freeware
http://www.komando.com/bestshareware.asp

Anti-malware freeware
The following freeware aps will detect and remove spyware/malware from your computer and in addition to your resident anti-virus program you should have several (if not all) of these installed (and used frequently - each may detect things that the others may not -always update them before you run them)
Set them to update automatically if applicable.
Run them from safe mode when applicable

(You can run as many of these as you wish. Generally there is no conflict between these and you should always run several since each may find malware that the others may not find)

Ad-Aware SE Personal - freeware
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Adawa...nal/965718306/1
or
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad-aware_se_personal.php

Spybot S&D:
Update – Aug 2006 - Spybot by default now ignores certain products such as New.Net and Sidestep for no good reason. New.Net compromises the WinSock stack by routing all your DNS queries through the NewDotNet.DLL. To enable detection go to "Settings", "Ignore products", "All products" Tab, right click on "Product", left-click on "Deselect all".

http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html
Be sure to enable “Teatimer” which gives you realtime protection against malware invasion.

Microsoft Windows Defender
Windows Defender will give you an additional tool in your control panel named Software Explorer which is excellent for examining software installed on your computer, its startup menu, etc which will help you identify what it is.
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/s...re/default.mspx
This also provides realtime protection.

Ewido Antispyware Free
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/20/lng/us/tpl/v5

SpywareBlaster:
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (Win XP and Win 2000):
http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx

A² - Free from http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4281.html . Run it, click Search for Updates, then click Scan.

MBSA is an easy-to-use tool designed for the IT professional that helps small and medium businesses determine their security state in accordance with Microsoft security recommendations and offers specific remediation guidance. Improve your security management process by using MBSA to detect common security misconfigurations and missing security updates on your computer systems.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/...a2/default.mspx


Web based online Antivirus and anti-malware scans: (these can be run regardless of whatever else you are using. You must use Internet Explorer to run these as they require ActiveX to function.)

Windows Live Onecare Free Scan
It will say "Get a free PC safety scan"
http://safety.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
Make sure you click "Full Service Scan" in the middle of the page and
not the "Try It Now Free" on the right side.

Allow it to download an Active X component.
Choose "Complete Scan" in the window that opens
Click "Next"
Do not click on anything else that offers you a free trial or to sign up if you live in the US.

Allow it to scan - it may take quite a while, maybe two hours or so depending on how big your hard drive is and how fragmented your registry and drive are.

Kaspersky Anti-Virus Web Scanner
http://www.kaspersky.com/service?chapter=161739400#betatest
and
File scanner and virus scanner
http://www.kaspersky.com/scanforvirus


Trend Micro antivirus and malware scan:
http://housecall-beta.trendmicro.com/en/st...orp.asp?id=scan

Etrust Anti-virus web scanner
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx.

Avast Online scan
http://onlinescan.avast.com/

F Secure online scan
http://support.f-secure.com/ols/start.html

Ewido Online scan
http://www.ewido.net/en/onlinescan/


Trojan scans –
Sygate Trojanscan
http://scan.sygatetech.com/pretrojanscan.html

Windows Security Trojanscan
http://windowsecurity.com/trojanscan
See instructions for it here:
http://www.windowsecurity.com/trojanscan/trojanscan.asp

Parasite scan from Aumha:
http://www.aumha.org/a/noads.php
or here:
http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/noads2.htm

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 06:55 AM

lol why do people keep voting for KIS if the recommendations are for seperate apps? :thumbsup:

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 07:15 AM

Because it is the better of the two you listed but I would and have chosen neither.

I do like the freeware Kaspersky Anti-Virus Web Scanner though, but as an adjunct to the freeware aps I listed.

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Posted 19 October 2006 - 05:03 AM

I would like to point out that Kaspersky does have a stand-alone AV program, and it is a very robust AV product. You might also check into some of the other freeware security applications listed at BC. Enthusiast listed many, but by no menas all of them. Check out this topic.

An additional problem with all-in-one. It makes it more difficult when doing scans in safe mode. Example: ZoneAlarm Security Suite: I cannot only open the AV part and scan, I have to start the entire program which by default starts by trying to load the Firewall part of the program which I don't need in Safe Mode, and then I get a whole bunch of errors etc. I think it also slows down the entire scanning process in Safe Mode.

Note:

Ewido Antispyware Free
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/20/lng/us/tpl/v5

Has been changed to AVG Antispyware 7.5 Free

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