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#1 im_no_good_with_computers

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 09:46 PM

i installed my new ram
i now have 1024 mb
my minimum page file is 738 mb and my maximum is 1536 is this ok?
and also is there anyway i can tell if my hyperhreading tech. is working
theres no option for it in the bios
although on the top it says in big letters PENTIUM 4 WITH HYPERTHREADING TECHNOLOGY
so im guesing its on rite?
thanks


also since installing my new ram spy sweeper has been running really slow idk if there is a correlation
my pc just restarts randomly is it over heating? if it is how do i stop it?

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 01:21 AM

The page file is normal and should be okay. 1Gb should help alot with the overall performance, but not really in games.

I believe in tast manager it shows it under performance, but I could be wrong, been a while since I've been on a Intel.

To turn off hyper threading I'm pretty sure you can do that in the bios.
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 01:34 AM

If hyper-threading is working your Task Manager should look like this, with two CPU Usage History graphs:
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 11:19 AM

Also, if you go into Device Manager (Start...Run...type in "devmgmt.msc" (without the quotes) and press Enter) expanding the "Processors" category should show 2 processors (if hyperthreading is enabled).
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 11:44 AM

What is a ram spy sweeper?

When a critical error occurrs in Windows XP, the system will reboot automatically by default. After the reboot, Windows will then usually show a dialogue with the explanation that the system has recovered from a critical error and will offer to submit this error to Microsoft.

Most of the time these spontaneous reboots are rather unique and are not an immediate cause for alert. However, if the situation is recurring, there is probably something wrong in the system configuration. To get a good idea of what is wrong, it is best to disable the option to automatically restart the system after a failure, but to let it show the error message instead.

To do so, perform the following steps:
1.Right-click My Computer.
2.Select Properties.
3.In the System Properties, select the tab Advanced.
4 In the box called Startup and Recovery, click Settings.
5 A new window will open:
6.Uncheck the box "Automatically restart" in the group System Failure
7.Confirm the changes in both Windows by clicking OK.
Whenever a critical system failure occurs now, you will see a blue screen with a cryptic description of the error. However, the content of this message might help in finding the appropriate solution to the problem.

Most of the critical errors are due to faulty driver installations or incorrect BIOS settings. Especially in case of misbehaving drivers, the blue screens often list the filename of the driver that caused the crash.

Post the entire message from the bsod here.


How to configure paging files for optimization and recovery in Windows XP MS
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Posted 13 October 2006 - 01:55 PM

ok thnaks for info on the restarts enthusiast and ya after it restarts it says that an error occured but i guess i just never read what heppened thanks

but about the hyper threading
my task manager doesnt show two separate boxes it just shows one continuous graph under cpu usage history so i guess my ht technology isnt on how ever it does show two processors in device manager
how do i turn it on if its not
please help thanks

Edited by im_no_good_with_computers, 13 October 2006 - 02:04 PM.


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Posted 13 October 2006 - 11:18 PM

ok the error happened again and these are the files said to be involved

C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\Mini101406-01.dmp
C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\LOCALS~1\Temp\WERD.tmp.dir00\sysdata.xml


and in the blue screen it said
page_fault_in_nonfault_area

the blue screen said it could be because of any new hardware/software installed could it be the ram i just installed ive noticed a lot of wierd things happening since ive installed it like random messages saying cant find resource and stuff like that
what do i do?





ok so i took the ram out and pc is working fine again
what could the problem have been? this ram is perfectly compatible with my pc(i checked with some many people and did so much resaerch) and actually did make it faster, why did it crash it too? i really want it to work because i cant afford to send it back to newegg haha please help
thanks

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 09:19 AM

OK, you're getting an error message (more on that in a bit) - and you've got conflicting information on your system (2 processors in Device Manager - but they don't show in the CPU graph in Task Manager). All of this points to a serious error.

Now, the error message ( http://aumha.org/win5/kbestop.php#0x50 ) says that this is most likely memory (but there's other things it could be).

And, since the errors stopped after removing the memory - it's safe to assume that the memory is at fault.

The easiest solution is to RMA it to NewEgg for some that works. You can also use this free program to test it to see if it generates errors: http://www.memtest86.com/
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Posted 14 October 2006 - 09:29 AM

With a hyperthreading processor (or dual processor) the ram must be installed in exactly the same configuration in each channel and the specs must match.

Download Everest Home Edition V1.51 and it will tell you exactly what the specs are for the ram that is installed (and possibly even the brand too), and in what slots it is installed.
Get version 1.51 which is the last freeware version that includes the software module which lists all software installed on your computer and provides all the license key numbers – a great tool which has been deleted from all successive freeware versions.

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http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=everesthome


You probably never had it installed in each channel to enable hyperthreading, and hyperthreading must be enabled in the bios too (if your motherboard supports it).

What is the Brand and model of the motherboard? (or the Brand and model of the PC?

You never did answer - what is Ram spy sweeper? If it is a memory management program it defeats XP's superior memory management and will make your computer slower!

Edited by Enthusiast, 14 October 2006 - 09:34 AM.


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Posted 15 October 2006 - 03:42 PM

i meant to put a comma after ram before spy sweeper spy sweeper is an anti spyware program
so is it that newegg has ONCE AGAIN sent me bad ram? should i just return it
heres what everest says (without new ram) tell me if you need to see the new ram im just scared my pc will crash again and also there doesnt seem to be an option in my bios to turn ht on can you tell me where to find it?

[ DIMM1: Smart Modular SM5643285D8N6CLHAH ]

Memory Module Properties:
Module Name Smart Modular SM5643285D8N6CLHAH
Serial Number 37432025h
Manufacture Date Week 41 / 2003
Module Size 256 MB (1 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type Unbuffered
Memory Type DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed PC2700 (166 MHz)
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh

Memory Timings:
@ 166 MHz 2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 133 MHz 2.0-3-3-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)

Memory Module Features:
Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported
Auto-Precharge Not Supported
Precharge All Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Differential Clock Input Supported
Redundant Row Address Not Supported

Memory Module Manufacturer:
Company Name SMART Modular Technologies, Inc.
Product Information http://www.smartmodular.com/product/m_index.cfm

[ DIMM3: 256 MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM ]

Memory Module Properties:
Serial Number None
Module Size 256 MB (1 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type Unbuffered
Memory Type DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed PC2700 (166 MHz)
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh

Memory Timings:
@ 166 MHz 2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 133 MHz 2.0-3-3-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)

Memory Module Features:
Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported
Auto-Precharge Not Supported
Precharge All Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Differential Clock Input Supported
Redundant Row Address Not Supported

heres the other stick
--------[ SPD ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ DIMM1: Smart Modular SM5643285D8N6CLHAH ]

Memory Module Properties:
Module Name Smart Modular SM5643285D8N6CLHAH
Serial Number 37432025h
Manufacture Date Week 41 / 2003
Module Size 256 MB (1 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type Unbuffered
Memory Type DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed PC2700 (166 MHz)
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh

Memory Timings:
@ 166 MHz 2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 133 MHz 2.0-3-3-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)

Memory Module Features:
Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported
Auto-Precharge Not Supported
Precharge All Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Differential Clock Input Supported
Redundant Row Address Not Supported

Memory Module Manufacturer:
Company Name SMART Modular Technologies, Inc.
Product Information http://www.smartmodular.com/product/m_index.cfm

[ DIMM3: 256 MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM ]

Memory Module Properties:
Serial Number None
Module Size 256 MB (1 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type Unbuffered
Memory Type DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed PC2700 (166 MHz)
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh

Memory Timings:
@ 166 MHz 2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 133 MHz 2.0-3-3-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)

Memory Module Features:
Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported
Auto-Precharge Not Supported
Precharge All Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Differential Clock Input Supported
Redundant Row Address Not Supported

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 03:43 PM

and heres my motherboard info
--------[ Motherboard ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 63-0314-000001-00101111-090403-SPDALE_G$PSLA1069_BIOS Date: 09/04/03 17:10:30 Ver: 08.
Motherboard Name Asus P4SD-LA

Front Side Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel NetBurst
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 200 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 800 MHz
Bandwidth 6400 MB/s

Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type Dual DDR SDRAM
Bus Width 128-bit
Real Clock 160 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 320 MHz
Bandwidth 5120 MB/s

Chipset Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel Hub Interface
Bus Width 8-bit
Real Clock 67 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 267 MB/s

Motherboard Physical Info:
CPU Sockets/Slots 1 Socket 478
Expansion Slots 3 PCI, 1 AGP
RAM Slots 4 DDR DIMM
Integrated Devices Audio, Video, LAN
Form Factor Micro ATX
Motherboard Size 240 mm x 240 mm
Motherboard Chipset i865G

Motherboard Manufacturer:
Company Name ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
Product Information http://www.asus.com/products/mb/mbindex.htm
BIOS Download http://www.asus.com/support/download/download.aspx

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 06:50 PM

I've bought RAM from NewEgg and haven't had any problems with it. BUT...the name of this memory isn't familiar to me.

FWIW - I've switched to http://www.crucial.com/ and buy all of my memory there. Their guarantee and service makes it all worthwhile to me.
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Posted 15 October 2006 - 08:25 PM

ok thanks but did you say you thought it was broken?
if so i can just return it for a working replacement
do you thinki should?


also how do i turn ht on i can seem to find anything in the bios about it
if thers two processors why isnt there two graphs in task manager?

Edited by im_no_good_with_computers, 15 October 2006 - 08:27 PM.


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Posted 15 October 2006 - 08:55 PM

The motherboard may not support hyperthreading - some do and some don't.

although on the top it says in big letters PENTIUM 4 WITH HYPERTHREADING TECHNOLOGY


Where do you see that? Is it on the bios screen when the computer first begins booting? Does it say HYPERTHREADING TECHNOLOGY ENABLED?

Are they in two groups of two different colors? If they are one color = one channel so to use the hyperthreading technology you need to install the same configuration of RAM in each channel.

The new ram has to be PC2700 DDR SDRAM.
Is that what you have? It can be either 512 or 256 but it has to be PC2700 DDR

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 09:00 PM

yes the new ram is pc 2700 ddr i am 100% sure ive done my research on it
it just says like what the computer is
it says compaq presario pentium 4 with ht technology at the top of the bios it doesnt give me an option to do anything its like a title
why would the maker of the pc use an ht processor but not a mobo that supports it




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