Jump to content


 


Register a free account to unlock additional features at BleepingComputer.com
Welcome to BleepingComputer, a free community where people like yourself come together to discuss and learn how to use their computers. Using the site is easy and fun. As a guest, you can browse and view the various discussions in the forums, but can not create a new topic or reply to an existing one unless you are logged in. Other benefits of registering an account are subscribing to topics and forums, creating a blog, and having no ads shown anywhere on the site.


Click here to Register a free account now! or read our Welcome Guide to learn how to use this site.

Photo

Alex Jones Ban, was it justified?


  • Please log in to reply
9 replies to this topic

#1 SuperSapien64

SuperSapien64

  • Members
  • 1,042 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Local time:12:37 AM

Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:46 PM

Thunderf00t explains why Alex Jones was banned by so many sources. I think he makes some good points and maybe other YouTubers, Facebook users and etc have nothing to worry about.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojHiIbD18WY



BC AdBot (Login to Remove)

 


#2 NickAu

NickAu

    Bleepin' Fish Doctor


  • Moderator
  • 13,837 posts
  • ONLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:127.0.0.1 Australia
  • Local time:05:37 PM

Posted 13 August 2018 - 12:35 AM

Being justified or not is beside the point, Facebook, Youtube etc are basically big old private forums and as such have the right to remove content or ban the user as they see fit.

 

 

Bleeping-computer rules say.

 

When posting you agree that the administrators and the moderators of this forum have the right to modify, delete, edit or close any topic, signature, account, or profile data at any time that they see fit. If you have any questions concerning this, please do not start a new thread, but rather private message to an administrator or moderator.

 

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forum-rules/

 

There is no Right to free speech on forums.



#3 britechguy

britechguy

    Been there, done that, got the T-shirt


  • Moderator
  • 9,860 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Staunton, VA
  • Local time:01:37 AM

Posted 13 August 2018 - 10:21 AM

Not only is there no right to free speech in private venues, whether literal physical or figurative (e.g., forums), the actual right to free speech does not mean that there are not consequences from exercising it where it is permitted.

 

Virtually all of the arguments I see today about free speech come from whiners decrying the fact that what they've freely chosen to say, and did say, has negative consequences for them.  If you decide to step in to "my house" then spout garbage, don't be surprised if I throw you out and make very clear and very public the reason that you were thrown out.

 

Censorship only has any real meaning when it is the government suppressing free speech, and specifically political speech, and even more specifically political speech that is unpopular.

 

Decent society has every right to tell conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones, white supremacists, racists, etc., to take a hike.

 

Free speech also means only that you have the right to say what you wish, which can be done in this nation (USA) [with the rarest of exceptions, like directly threatening the President or yelling, "Fire!," in a crowded venue] without any fear of government reprisal.   It doesn't mean that anyone has to listen nor anyone has to give you a metaphorical soapbox and megaphone to spread it around louder and further.

 

It's about time that owners of internet communications venues started taking their roles as decent members of society a lot more seriously than they have.  And that means tossing lunatics to the curb.


Brian  AKA  Bri the Tech Guy (website in my user profile) - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.  Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

       ~ Mark Twain

 

 

 

              

 


#4 Bezukhov

Bezukhov

    Bleepin' Jazz Fan!


  • Members
  • 2,750 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Providence, R.I.
  • Local time:01:37 AM

Posted 13 August 2018 - 10:49 AM

Poetic Justice? Alex Jones and and others from his side of the aisle give their full-throated support for bakers who refuse to put a message on their cakes. Now they're complaining about tech companies who refuse to host their messages on the tech companies servers.

Liberals Applaud As Local Baker Refuses To Serve Alex Jones
Satire

https://babylonbee.com/news/liberals-applaud-as-local-baker-refuses-to-serve-alex-jones/
To err is Human. To blame it on someone else is even more Human.

#5 britechguy

britechguy

    Been there, done that, got the T-shirt


  • Moderator
  • 9,860 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Staunton, VA
  • Local time:01:37 AM

Posted 13 August 2018 - 10:55 AM

Something I wrote myself, when one of the previous whining cycles began from those "censored" by a private communications venue for spouting garbage:

 

Suppression of expression by the government is censorship.
Suppression of expression by a publisher or broadcaster over what it disseminates is editorial oversight.
Suppression of expression of the wrong thing by oneself is discretion, restraint, and good manners.
Suppression of expression of children by their parents is necessary socialization and good parenting.

Brian  AKA  Bri the Tech Guy (website in my user profile) - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.  Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

       ~ Mark Twain

 

 

 

              

 


#6 SuperSapien64

SuperSapien64
  • Topic Starter

  • Members
  • 1,042 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Local time:12:37 AM

Posted 14 August 2018 - 09:27 PM

I'm kid of surprised that this didn't happen to Info Wars/Alex Jones earlier. Because apparently he was saying messed up things about the Sandy Hook shooting something about it being a conspiracy.

I hope that Alex gets some professionally help because obviously suffers from delusional thinking.



#7 Windows10User

Windows10User

  • Members
  • 56 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Local time:06:37 AM

Posted 28 August 2018 - 02:32 PM

I have the suspicion that the Alex Jones ban was politically motivated as all major social media services (apart from Twitter) banned Jones in the matter of 12 hours of each other. 

These companies have the right to remove Jones from their services but there has been recent bans of conservatives from not only social media, but from credit card companies, to me at least, these companies are trying to "unperson" people they disagree with.

 

This is one thing that is never brought up on this topic, are Facebook, YouTube, Apple, Spotify, etc publishers or platforms.

 

A publisher is a company like the BBC, Fox News, Wall Street Journal, CNN, South China Morning Post, etc. These companies have editorial staff and are liable for the content on their services.

 

A platform is a company or technology that enables communication and distribution of information and are therefore not liable for the content on their services.

 

Now, previously Facebook, YouTube, Apple, etc were considered as platforms and were therefore not liable for the content on their sites. But with the censoring of Alex Jones and other conservative users, are these companies turning into publishers? If they were turned into publishers, they would be liable for all the user posted content on their sites. 

You can't be a publisher and the platform at the same time. You can either be one or the other. There are certain limited editorial allowances on platforms are there to ensure that illegal content were off the site. But it seems (to me at least) that these powers are being abused to push the companies political agenda. 

 

 

Ironically the bans have only seemed to boast Jones' popularity so it seems that the bans have backfired if they were politically motivated.


Edited by Windows10User, 28 August 2018 - 03:05 PM.


#8 britechguy

britechguy

    Been there, done that, got the T-shirt


  • Moderator
  • 9,860 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Staunton, VA
  • Local time:01:37 AM

Posted 28 August 2018 - 04:31 PM

Windows10User wrote, in part:  A platform is a company or technology that enables communication and distribution of information and are therefore not liable for the content on their services.

 

 

Though this should be true, it is no longer.  The Alex Jones situation is somewhat analogous, but not directly so, to Craigslist having shut down their personal ads section due to perceived liability issues.  Here's one example of the press regarding same:  https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/23/technology/craigslist-personals-shutdown/index.html 

 

And, even if it were true, those companies that enable public communication are "providing a soapbox."   No one is required to provide a soapbox for someone else to stand on with their bullhorn.  They are not like telecommunications firms, where content is entirely private between the communicants.


Brian  AKA  Bri the Tech Guy (website in my user profile) - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.  Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

       ~ Mark Twain

 

 

 

              

 


#9 Mklangelo

Mklangelo

  • Members
  • 139 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Behind you.
  • Local time:01:37 AM

Posted 31 August 2018 - 12:23 AM

I've never paid much attnention to this guy.

 

But based on what I've learned about him, he is a rabbel rouser.  Much more heat than light.

 

It might be difficult to sort out fact from hyperbole from a guy like this.  I prefer to get my information in a more reasoned way.  I don't need all the bluster and identity politics in order to be convinced of the validity of assertions.


Edited by Mklangelo, 31 August 2018 - 12:24 AM.

“Let us all be happy and live within our means, even if we have to borrow the money to do it with”

 

-Artemus Ward


#10 Bezukhov

Bezukhov

    Bleepin' Jazz Fan!


  • Members
  • 2,750 posts
  • OFFLINE
  •  
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Providence, R.I.
  • Local time:01:37 AM

Posted 31 August 2018 - 08:49 AM

Hi Ho, Hi Ho
It's off to Court we go
With a Lawsuit here
And a Lawsuit there
Hi Ho, Hi Ho

US conspiracy theorist Alex Jones loses bid to stop defamation lawsuit

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/us-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-loses-bid-stop-defamation-lawsuit/?comments=disqus
To err is Human. To blame it on someone else is even more Human.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users