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Cat 5 Cabling / Network question


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#1 darkcloudi

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:34 AM

I have asked for this in another forums which isn't specialised in networking, so hopefully someone in networks will know the answer to this question.

 

Do all networking cables have markings on them to certify what they are? i.e. Cat 5e, Cat 6, Cat 7, etc

I am buying a new build house and they have installed the following (written on cabling sleeve):
LanCOMCable Network Cable CCA ISO9001, FLUKE CHANNEL TESTED, RoHS, REACH, CE, 29/10/2017 170 metres

I visited other plots on site and noticed they have the Cat 5e markings on the network cable sleeve but my plot doesn't.

 

I asked for CAT 5 to be installed and was limited to what the company would install (they would not install CAT 6 or 7); hence they are advising me they have installed Cat 5 but have found no markings on the sleeve to prove this.

 

From what I am aware Cat 5 is obsolete, with the date of the cable sleeve stating 2017 I am assuming its 5e? Unless anyone knows, can you still buy CAT 5 cabling, I know the cable installed has 4 pairs. Is anyone familiar with the above cable brand?

 

I know its Copper-Clad Aluminium (CCA) which a lot of people are telling me its poor, if I asked for CAT 5 I am assuming the builder should of satisfied EN 50288-1:2003 where it suggests CCA shouldn't be used or is CCA fine?

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 11:27 AM

here in the USA an electrician should have installed the low voltage ethernet wiring not a general contractor.  a general contractor will buy what they can get at the local building supply store. and as cheap as they can do it.

 

and they do this because the more they save on materials, increases their profit margin.

 

myself i would never have run CCA wire, aluminum is soft and stretches and they break easily if kinked when pulling the wires.  I made the mistake 1 time buying CCA and had nothing but issues.   



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Posted 10 August 2018 - 11:32 AM

Information on Cat 5, Cat...

 

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 11:48 AM

Thanks, agree CCA wire is poor. Was hoping I could argue with the builder it doesn't satisfy Cat 5 standards if this is true (reading articles on the internet suggest it doesn't satisfy the standard)

 

Didn't realise this was a US forum, question may be best suited in the UK forums I guess. As regs are different here I guess.

 

Thanks to those who responded



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Posted 10 August 2018 - 11:57 AM

any reputable brand of cable will have their brand name and cable type printed on the jacket once every meter along the cable,

 

i started installing cat 5 cabling back in 1995.....shortly after that cat5e was released.....they are both obsolete by todays networking standards,

 

i was installing cat6 pretty much all the time everywhere i went by 2010

 

cat5 and cat5e are both 24 guage wire

 

cat6 s slightly larger at 23 guage

 

"discount" brands of cable will perfrom significantly worse in my experience,

 

strip back some of the cable and spread the pairs apart (DO NOT untwist the pairs) and post a picture......i will be able to tell you exactly what it is

 

what are you going to be using it for?


Edited by mikey11, 10 August 2018 - 12:02 PM.


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 12:15 PM

Was going to have a switch in the store room that feeds a Ubiquiti Access Point over PoE+ and then from the store there is a patch panel to feed my other rooms. Each of my 5 rooms have a number of ethernet ports connected using this cable that will feed either a Playstation 4, PC or a Tele. (Trying to keep some devices off the wireless.)

 

I won't get a chance to strip the cabling until I move in (possibly 7-8 weeks time) :(

 

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 04:06 PM

how fast is your internet connection?  if your devices are 10/100Mb communications you should be ok.  but if you want to get up to Gb speeds then you need the better cable.

 

and this isn't just a US forum.   It's all over the world, I just happen to be in the US and got to your question first.



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Posted 11 August 2018 - 09:29 AM

mightywiz - my current internet speed is 362Mb (with VirginMedia as its Fibre) Although will be moving to a different provider in the new estate (VirginMedia does not exist). 

 

At present not sure what speeds I can get there with BT, the website states average is 67Mb. So think with BT probably safe to say the network cable will be ok for the time being. 

 

Although disappointed still that I asked for Cat 5 but CCA is not part of the CatX standard. I am going to see if I can tie a Cat 6 cable to one end of the CCA cable and pull the cable through, not sure if that is possible but will try it when I move in. 

 

Thanks again for your help.



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Posted 11 August 2018 - 11:38 PM

Ask your builder for the certification test results. At least here, you can't even claim a job is of any given level unless you can prove it for every single run, end to end. If it doesn't pass a Cat 5 profile it isn't a Cat 5 installation, regardless of the cable type. There's a lot more to it than just the cable.

 

You probably won't be able to use the exiting cable as a pull string, even if it's not properly installed (if properly installed it has to be restrained and protected, there's no way unless it's run in conduit that you're going to pull that). Any time you go around a sharp bend it's going to add a lot of friction, about 3 bends and you won't be able to move it. Maybe if he pulled it straight up to the attic or down to the basement/crawlspace, but if it's through the walls you're probably SOL.



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 07:40 AM

Ask your builder for the certification test results. At least here, you can't even claim a job is of any given level unless you can prove it for every single run, end to end. If it doesn't pass a Cat 5 profile it isn't a Cat 5 installation, regardless of the cable type. There's a lot more to it than just the cable.

 

 

 

 

i was going to suggest that also,

 

but most builders do not terminate the cat5 cabling, they just leave it hanging out of the box,

 

terminations and wall plates/ jacks are the responsibility of the home owner






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