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#1 Ma11ic3

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 12:20 PM

Windows 10 uploading with no internet

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 12:24 PM

A logical impossibility.


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Posted 29 July 2018 - 12:47 PM

As Mr. Spock would say!!!


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Posted 29 July 2018 - 12:50 PM

Well my friend it is doing just that. I have no internet or Wi-Fi at my place. I have a metre that shows when I'm uploading and downloading and when I am attached to the internet it's accurate. The fact that it is a logical impossibility is why I'm asking. Can Windows 10 create its own connection to share software with other Windows 10 computers?

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 01:06 PM

No.


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Posted 29 July 2018 - 01:20 PM

No.

 

Actually, yes and no.

 

What we may have going here is a definition difference.  Uploading, to me, means leaving one's machine with the destination being "somewhere in cyberspace, not on my LAN."  Thus, if you have no internet connection it is utterly impossible to upload.  It just can't happen.

 

However, if you have a LAN going without an internet connection, which, of course, one can, the machines on that LAN can definitely communicate with each other and send data across the LAN, but that is not uploading.

 

It is conceivably possible, if one has Delivery Optimization set such that updates can be shared between computers on one's LAN, that if one of them has received the update when connected to the internet (which would be a requirement under normal circumstances - I am not counting the odd download from the update catalog to USB and manually installing it) that it could supply it to other computers on the LAN via that style of Delivery Optimization.  That's still not uploading anything in my book, it's sideloading - information sharing completely within a LAN.

 

If you consider any data leaving one machine for another as "uploading" then it certainly could occur on any LAN whether there was an internet connection or not.  Sideloading will, of course, show as an "uploading" activity on the machine supplying the data and a "downloading" activity on the machine receiving it as there's got to be some way to show that relationship.


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     . . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

 

 

              

 


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Posted 29 July 2018 - 01:41 PM

I would say just as Britguy. Local network chatter, or your wifi is connecting a open network by itself?



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Posted 29 July 2018 - 01:53 PM

I would have thought that very same thing at one time however I'm not connected to an internet I have no line in. Mine is the only computer in the house. The only two things that I haven't tried yet are disabling my internet capabilities entirely and or turning off my bluetooth to see if that has any effect.

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 02:33 PM

If things are as you say they are then it is an impossibility for your computer to be uploading.

 

As I already explained, all sorts of traffic will be classified by tools that consider everything either "upload" or "download"  to be one or the other when, in fact, they are not.  You can't download if you have no internet connection, either.  It would not shock me if whatever tool your using considers chatter to/from the loopback address (127.0.0.1, usually) to be "traffic" when it isn't - it never leaves your computer.


Brian  AKA  Bri the Tech Guy (website in my user profile) - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 

     . . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

 

 

              

 


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Posted 29 July 2018 - 02:52 PM

Oh blue tooth is a chatter bug for sure.



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Posted 29 July 2018 - 07:12 PM

Hi, powershell make a cmdlet to test internet connection (simple ping), press the win + x keys together select Powershell(admin) from the options, Copy the below cmd and right click anywhere in the powershell window, the cmd will append to the prompt, press enter.

 

 Test-NetConnection |out-file $home\net.txt

notepad $home\net.txt
 
Notepad will open, if this fails you do not have any active connections, you can post the results here if you like.


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Posted 30 July 2018 - 11:58 AM

Great post jenae. That should clear up the issue.

 

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Posted 30 July 2018 - 03:26 PM

FYI, here's what the result from a machine that is connected to the internet looks like:

 

ComputerName           : internetbeacon.msedge.net
RemoteAddress          : 2a01:111:2003::52
InterfaceAlias         : Wi-Fi
SourceAddress          : 2607:fb90:c9b:1e45:281d:e481:db09:bb80
PingSucceeded          : True
PingReplyDetails (RTT) : 77 ms
 
 
It still comes back to the fact that you cannot possibly be "uploading" in any meaningful sense of the word unless you have an internet connection.  If ya don't ya aren't.

Edited by britechguy, 30 July 2018 - 03:29 PM.

Brian  AKA  Bri the Tech Guy (website in my user profile) - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 

     . . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

 

 

              

 


#14 Ma11ic3

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Posted 30 July 2018 - 04:10 PM

Ok so I have figured out the problem...there was a hidden connection in my control panel of the sort hyper v. I have no idea why it was hidden but it was and I disabled it and all of my uploads ceased.
I thank you all for your help it was greatly appreciated.




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