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XP is dead---Let it go


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#1 medab1

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Posted 22 July 2018 - 04:54 PM

Let it go.

Move up to Windows 10.


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Posted 22 July 2018 - 06:15 PM

A somewhat extreme opinion.

 

For general computer use I could agree especially if that included web-browsing. But there are a number of valid reasons for not moving off XP -

 

Running a control system that does not involve an internet connection.

Running legacy software that does not run on a later OS and does not require an internet connection.

 

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Posted 22 July 2018 - 06:52 PM

 

Had to do it :D


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Posted 22 July 2018 - 09:43 PM

Yeah....let it go....

 

Move UP, to Linux


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Posted 23 July 2018 - 04:28 PM

Yeah....let it go....

 

Move UP, to Linux

Agreed.



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Posted 23 July 2018 - 05:49 PM

For general computer use I could agree especially if that included web-browsing. But there are a number of valid reasons for not moving off XP -

 

Running a control system that does not involve an internet connection.

Running legacy software that does not run on a later OS and does not require an internet connection.

 

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When most of those asking about managing to squeeze out another day of XP preface that with an explanation of conditions that warrant it, like the ones you list, that's a different story.

 

My observation has been that this is the exception, not the rule.  For anything other than a very constrained set of uses Windows XP should have been abandoned long ago and should still be abandoned if running what needs to be run under a currently supported OS is possible.  I'm still running some XP era software under Windows 10 (and carried it along since XP up to 10), so it's not like it's impossible.

 

Computer hardware, software, and OSes have finite service lives.  I can understand completely wanting each to last as long as possible but with regard to general use of Windows XP we're long past the "as long as possible" era.


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Posted 24 July 2018 - 06:51 AM

Hi, i think that if you,re not satisfied with xp windows, then you can leave it & switch to a newer version of windows.



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Posted 24 July 2018 - 08:10 AM

I use Windows XP and Windows 10.

There are developers who still use Windows 2000.

For me, Linux is boring to use.



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Posted 24 July 2018 - 08:19 AM

Yeah, no lack of excitement with Win 10...failed updates, never ending feature updates.... :hysterical:


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It has been said that time heals all wounds. I don't agree. The wounds remain. Time - the mind, protecting its sanity - covers them with some scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone. Rose Kennedy

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 08:27 AM

Yeah, no lack of excitement with Win 10...failed updates, never ending feature updates.... :hysterical:

Now that made my day.

 

Boring OS's are good. That is exactly what an OS is supposed to be.


Edited by JohnC_21, 24 July 2018 - 08:28 AM.


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Posted 24 July 2018 - 10:42 AM

Yeah, no lack of excitement with Win 10...failed updates, never ending feature updates.... :hysterical:

 

Because failed updates never happen on anything but Windows, do they?

 

The degree of smugness of some in the Linux community never ceases to amaze.  And it never ceases to drive a lot of people away from even trying the OS, too.  Reading the Linux forum clearly shows that it has plenty of "excitement" with updates, among other things.   All OSes do.

 

So far, since the advent of Windows 10, I have had one failed update (regular/cumulative) on one machine and one failed feature update on another (out of five in my home) and have had no calls from existing clients on either issue.  Both went just fine "the second time around."  

 

You really can't use computer support forums, which are by definition populated by individuals seeking support for "issues" and those offering it, as a metric for "the typical experience."  You also can't say that because Windows forums have so many more posts that it's more problematic, simply because the embedded user base is so much larger one would expect that even the exact same percentage of issues as another OS might be having would result in far, far, far higher raw numbers because of the size of the Windows user base.

 

I have no great love and adoration for Microsoft or Windows, what I do have a great love and adoration for is taking "the big picture" into account.


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Posted 24 July 2018 - 10:55 AM

Well difference is again Microsoft is a big billion dollar company who controls a huge chunk of the desktop market so they in theory should not have any issues rolling out updates.

At least when linux has an issue its mostly understandable, no big billion dollar companies and most of what we have in linux is community maintained so errors are bound to happen.

Again this is why i am more forgiving of the pratfalls of linux as unlike windows it doesnt have a massive user base to mess up, for me if linux messes up its okay as I have plenty of flavors.

Windows on the other hand... well 7 is almost dead sadly, Windows 8 is crap and 8.1 isnt much better

 

I really wish Microsoft would have done a XP with windows 7 after the abysmal failure of windows 8


Edited by MadmanRB, 24 July 2018 - 11:04 AM.

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 11:10 AM

Boring is beautiful.

 

Linux......you've got to love it !


Condobloke ...Outback Australian  fed up with Windows antics...??....LINUX IS THE ANSWER....I USE LINUX MINT 18.3  EXCLUSIVELY.

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 11:27 AM

. . . Microsoft is a big billion dollar company who controls a huge chunk of the desktop market so they in theory should not have any issues rolling out updates.

 

 

One of my favorite quotations, though I do not have an attribution, is:  "In theory there is no difference between theory and practice; in practice there is."

 

I have yet to work with any entity that deals with large, unwieldy, and ultimately "untestable in their entirety as changes get made" software like OSes that don't have occasional burps with updates.

 

I actually thought (and still think) Microsoft had a stroke of genius with the "Windows Insider" program.  For an OS like Windows 10 there is absolutely no way that Microsoft (or any other company, for that matter) could ever assemble an in-house hardware testbed that covers all the hardware out there on which Windows 10 is being run.  Having a massive cadre of willing volunteers to beta (sometimes alpha) test things you are thinking about rolling out on hardware that you couldn't buy now even if you wanted to in many cases is just brilliant.  Between that and system health telemetry being used to put the brakes on the rollout of cumulative and feature updates if unanticipated issues are encountered in the early stages a "bad update" becomes far less likely for any given individual machine.


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Posted 24 July 2018 - 11:33 AM

Yeah but Microsoft does have accountability, the EULA doesnt make them immune from that.

Especially where big business is concerned, maybe not in the personal workspace but in the commercial sector a bad update is a big deal.


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