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What's Going on With Win 7 and MSE Updates


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#1 sikntired

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 07:03 AM

I currently have my updates set to where I decide to install or not. My OS is Win 7 SP-1.

 

Now for my query. In the past several days I've been getting updates are available (just like good ole 'patch Tuesday') concerning MSE. These are recommended updates. Are any of you experiencing the same??

 

Previous MSE updates were always optional.


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 01:17 PM

Unless I'm mistaken MSE on Win 7 will auto update definitions even if you have Windows Update set to never check for updates. That's the case on my Win 7 PC, too.



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Posted 09 July 2018 - 05:46 PM

do you mean like in the optional section and they are listed as preview rollout updates?

 

you don't want to download those if that's what your talking about.  microsoft got rid of the QA (quality assurance teams) and if you download the preview your a guinea pig/beta tester for the update.



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Posted 09 July 2018 - 07:02 PM

Every single one of my MSE updates reflected in my update history...stem from periods where I used MSE as my AV...and are classified as "optional".

 

Since I have been using ESET as my installed AV...there have been no MSE updates downloaded/installed/reflected.

 

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 07:22 AM

Thanks for the input from all of you.

 

These updates I'm referring to are NOT, repeat, NOT optional updates. They are recommended updates and are a mirror image of the way important updates notification are received from MS. They are definition updates for MSE . I get the standard MS notification in the taskbar just like all updates on good ole 'Patch Tuesday'. I hope this makes it clearer.



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Posted 10 July 2018 - 07:37 AM

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Edited by sikntired, 10 July 2018 - 11:36 AM.


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 12:23 PM

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 12:31 PM

Look at all of the recommended updates for KB2310138 that have occured over the past several days. The above screenshot clearly shows  they are not optional.

 

This has never happened before and that is why I am inquiring if anyone else is experiencing the same.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:44 PM

This is what happened today. Clearly this says important update. Upon viewing it is nothing more than a definition update for KB2310138 (MSE)

 

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Edited by sikntired, 12 July 2018 - 02:07 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 02:10 PM

Here is MSE definition update. Another pop-up in taskbar. These used to be optional. Have searched around and no one knows why the change from 'optional' to 'important'SNmemKi.png



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Posted 13 July 2018 - 12:50 AM

Can we get a screenshot of your Windows Update Settings?

 

Do you think that with your settings the way they are that you should not be seeing any notifications in the taskbar?

 

 I get the standard MS notification in the taskbar just like all updates on good ole 'Patch Tuesday'.

 

Do you think that you should not be seeing any notifications in the taskbar?


Edited by joseibarra, 13 July 2018 - 01:42 AM.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 09:43 AM

Jose thanks for response. I'll try to make this as clear as I possible can.

 

I understand that MS gives optional updates for MSE and has done so for years. They were optional and one would never see any kind of notification that those optional updates were available.

 

Now, on my machine I am receiving MS definition updates for KB2310138 as recommended not optional.and am notified of such via the taskbar just like one gets when important or recommended updates are available like "Patch Tuesday". Hope this makes this clear to you.

 

Is MS now categorizing these definition updates as important or recommended as opposed to optional?

 

Here are my update settings.

 

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 12:27 PM

In windows update there is a checkbox you can tick which lets you decide whether "recommended" updates get put in the "important" or "optional" half of the list. When I used windows I typically set it up so that "recommended" updates would go in the "optional" half of the list, and I checked them less often that I looked at whether to install updates classed as "important". If you microsoft's own product as your antivirus then KB2310138 is something you will definitely want. The update number stays the same but a new version comes out whenever there are patches to make to microsoft's antivirus, which is why you've seen so many, each is a newer version. In your case I'd set the tickbox to class recommended updates as important "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" so you get better notified of when these are ready. Most other recommended updates can usually be ignored, but read descriptions for them before you hide any.
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Posted 13 July 2018 - 02:02 PM

Thank you rp88, understood, however i would like to point out that I have not changed my current Windows Update Settings for I don't know how long. And the definition updates for MSE have always been optional even with MSE installed. These notifications are new and have arisen only in the past several days.

Thus my query is anyone else, that has MSE installed, experiencing the same?

 

I understand that I can untick "give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" and not get the taskbar notification.

 

Just wondering if MS has changed protocol in how they handle MSE update definitions going from 'optional' to 'recommended'?



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 06:27 PM

MS has been known to change the importance level of certain updates when re-releasing them, whether it has happened with these ones I don't know.

Just to clarify, what is it that you are wanting but not getting at present? I thought your problem was that you weren't seeing taskbar notifications and hence weren't sure when to go to windows update under control panel and install necessary updates from amongst whatever is on offer?

I'm afraid I hardly use a windows OS at all thesedays, and when I did I didn't use MSE anyway, so I can't report whether this has happened to me.

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