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No more updates for WD in Vista?


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#1 devilus

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 02:30 AM

Windows Defender in Vista says "there is no definition update available" when checking. The latest definition I've installed is 1.269.1075.0. Is it not supported anymore?

 

EDIT: There is a newer definition update 1.269.1752.0 for Vista as well. Why couldn't Vista detect it when checking for updates?

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions


Edited by devilus, 22 June 2018 - 02:42 AM.

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 06:33 AM

Windows Defender in Vista says "there is no definition update available" when checking. The latest definition I've installed is 1.269.1075.0. Is it not supported anymore?

 

EDIT: There is a newer definition update 1.269.1752.0 for Vista as well. Why couldn't Vista detect it when checking for updates?

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions

 

 

you should be using MSE...microsoft security essentials with vista

 

i would uninstall windows defender and install MSE.......

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/download/details.aspx?id=5201



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 06:49 AM

 

Windows Defender in Vista says "there is no definition update available" when checking. The latest definition I've installed is 1.269.1075.0. Is it not supported anymore?

 

EDIT: There is a newer definition update 1.269.1752.0 for Vista as well. Why couldn't Vista detect it when checking for updates?

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions

 

 

you should be using MSE...microsoft security essentials with vista

 

i would uninstall windows defender and install MSE.......

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/download/details.aspx?id=5201

 

Thanks. But that's another discussion. By the way I already have an antivirus running well (Panda Dome).


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Posted 22 June 2018 - 07:03 AM

then why do you need windows defender?



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 07:12 AM

then why do you need windows defender?

I don't need it. I just wonder why it doesn't find and install new definition updates. There was no problem ten days ago.

 

Say, maybe I am interested in such technical details / problems. :)


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Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:10 PM

I have the same problem! I'm using Windows Vista Home Premium. The latest WD definition my computer has installed is 1.269.1075.0 (on 6/12/2018). So since nearly two weeks Windows Update haven't detected any WD definitions updates! Maybe they stopped WD's support for Vista... However I haven't found any announcement made by Microsoft on that subject. This is so weird. :(



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Posted 25 June 2018 - 06:50 AM

I have the same problem! I'm using Windows Vista Home Premium. The latest WD definition my computer has installed is 1.269.1075.0 (on 6/12/2018). So since nearly two weeks Windows Update haven't detected any WD definitions updates! Maybe they stopped WD's support for Vista... However I haven't found any announcement made by Microsoft on that subject. This is so weird. :(

 

 

vista support ended long ago.....so its only safe to assume WD support would end too



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Posted 25 June 2018 - 02:15 PM

Maybe you are right, but Microsoft Office support still continues for Vista and even for XP. So stopping suddenly support for Windows Defender have no sense. At least they should have officially announced this termination.

Edited by Zebra3, 25 June 2018 - 02:21 PM.


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Posted 25 June 2018 - 05:07 PM

Windows Defender in Vista says "there is no definition update available" when checking. The latest definition I've installed is 1.269.1075.0. Is it not supported anymore?

 

EDIT: There is a newer definition update 1.269.1752.0 for Vista as well. Why couldn't Vista detect it when checking for updates?

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions

Has anyone tried manually installing a definition update for Defender since June 12? They are probably still compatible, since Windows Defender in Vista is no different than in Windows 7. (Of course if spyware specific to Vista exists, Microsoft probably hasn't concerned themselves with definitions for it since April 2017.) You might want to check Problem Reports and Solutions for June 12, and after manually installing a definition update. Windows XP has already gone down this road, so the very curious might find this thread interesting: https://msfn.org/board/topic/175514-microsoft-security-essentials-and-windows-xp/.

 

If anyone stopped using Avast because it didn't allow them to turn Windows Defender back on, you might want to reconsider that decision now.



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Posted 26 June 2018 - 01:01 AM

 

Windows Defender in Vista says "there is no definition update available" when checking. The latest definition I've installed is 1.269.1075.0. Is it not supported anymore?

 

EDIT: There is a newer definition update 1.269.1752.0 for Vista as well. Why couldn't Vista detect it when checking for updates?

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions

Has anyone tried manually installing a definition update for Defender since June 12? They are probably still compatible, since Windows Defender in Vista is no different than in Windows 7. (Of course if spyware specific to Vista exists, Microsoft probably hasn't concerned themselves with definitions for it since April 2017.) You might want to check Problem Reports and Solutions for June 12, and after manually installing a definition update. Windows XP has already gone down this road, so the very curious might find this thread interesting: https://msfn.org/board/topic/175514-microsoft-security-essentials-and-windows-xp/.

 

If anyone stopped using Avast because it didn't allow them to turn Windows Defender back on, you might want to reconsider that decision now.

 

 

There is a definition update for Vista in the link I wrote (for Windows Defender both in Windows 7 and Windows Vista for 32&64-bit). And yes, you can download and install it manually by running as administrator. Just as I did.

The problem is that Windows couldn't find this update (neither within Defender nor via WU). There is no error code reported. WU log says: Updates found = 0


Edited by devilus, 26 June 2018 - 03:28 AM.

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Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:29 PM

I searched but did not find any recent posts from Windows 7 users. Therefore, the solution to your problem is to upgrade to Windows 7, which Microsoft will support for another year and a half -- which is no doubt the only reason why definition updates for the old antispyware version of Windows Defender are still being created.



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Posted 26 June 2018 - 07:20 PM

My girlfriend's computer has Windows 7 Home Premium as OS. I checked today in her machine the Windows Update state. The last definition update for Windows Defender has been done on June 12th 2018 and its number is : 1.269.1752.0 (exactly the same date and number as in my Vista's Windows Update). I have run Windows Update in her computer and two updates has been detected. But none of them was Windows Defender's update. So it is clear that Microsoft has stopped WD support not only for Windows Vista, but also for Windows 7 machines.

 

Briefly, upgrading to Windows 7 is not a solution. The main purpose here is that Microsoft wants to oblige us to upgrade our computers to Windows 10! :angry:



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Posted 27 June 2018 - 10:45 AM

My girlfriend's computer has Windows 7 Home Premium as OS. I checked today in her machine the Windows Update state. The last definition update for Windows Defender has been done on June 12th 2018 and its number is : 1.269.1752.0 (exactly the same date and number as in my Vista's Windows Update). I have run Windows Update in her computer and two updates has been detected. But none of them was Windows Defender's update. So it is clear that Microsoft has stopped WD support not only for Windows Vista, but also for Windows 7 machines.

It's odd that no Windows 7 users have bothered to post anywhere, considering that they are about 100 times as numerous as Vista users now. I just did another Google search, and this thread now appears because you mentioned Windows 7. Maybe you should call Microsoft on the phone? BTW I used the Windows Defender antispyware on Vista for years, and the only thing it ever did worth mentioning was cause false positives from my real antivirus.



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Posted 27 June 2018 - 05:24 PM

At the moment, I'm running Vista X64 with Win Def version 1.1.16000,  using Engine 1.1.15000, and Definition 1.271.139. 

 

So it can be done.  Follow the link Devilus supplied https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions, then go down to the

line "Windows Defender in Windows 7 and Windows Vista  32-bit|64-bit"  and click on the appropriate choice. 

 

Download a file named mpas-fe,exe.   Right click on it, and run as administrator.  You won't anything happen visibly, but

afterwards you can fire up Win Defender from your Start menu and verify the new Engine and Definition numbers.

 

Alternatively, you can go the Major Geeks website and download the latest Win Defender definitions from there.


Edited by mike_shupp, 27 June 2018 - 05:26 PM.


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Posted 03 July 2018 - 04:20 PM

Zebra3 was correct: Windows 7 is also affected (https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/win-7-not-getting-defender-updates/), so there is a possibility that Microsoft might fix this issue someday.






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