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Microsoft purchased Github whats next Canonical Ubuntu?


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#1 SuperSapien64

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:50 PM

Since M$ seems to be gobbling up FOSS left and right I'm a little concerned that Ubuntu might be next. Do you think my concern is valid? Or is it highly unlikely that Microsoft will purchase Canonical Ubuntu?



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Posted 14 June 2018 - 10:15 PM

Github is privately held (and if MS purchases it, still will be).

 

The projects managed under it and hosted by it are a different story, and since Github doesn't own those . . .


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 11:38 PM

That would suggest that MS paid an enormous amount of money for very little....


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 09:12 AM

That would suggest that MS paid an enormous amount of money for very little....

 

Wouldn't be the first time that MS (or any number of IT or telecomm companies) have done that and it won't be the last.   I can't figure out what possible useful gain MS thinks it can or will get by this move and I don't for one minute think the intention is to buy it then shut it down.  There's just no meaningful benefit in doing that, either.

 

As is so often the case, there's some sort of very wishful thinking going on in some executive suite somewhere.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 05:48 PM

 

As is so often the case, there's some sort of very wishful thinking going on in some executive suite somewhere.

 

 

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:32 PM

 

That would suggest that MS paid an enormous amount of money for very little....

 

Wouldn't be the first time that MS (or any number of IT or telecomm companies) have done that and it won't be the last.   I can't figure out what possible useful gain MS thinks it can or will get by this move and I don't for one minute think the intention is to buy it then shut it down.  There's just no meaningful benefit in doing that, either.

 

As is so often the case, there's some sort of very wishful thinking going on in some executive suite somewhere.

 

I guess keep your friends close and your enemies closer is there logic. :rolleyes:



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Posted 16 June 2018 - 09:56 PM

Microsoft is single largest contributor to open source on GitHub . According to GitHub, Microsoft has the largest open source community in the entire world with Visual Studio Code. if this is a surprise, you weren't paying attention ;) #msbuild

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 08:54 AM

 

That would suggest that MS paid an enormous amount of money for very little....

 

Wouldn't be the first time that MS (or any number of IT or telecomm companies) have done that and it won't be the last.   I can't figure out what possible useful gain MS thinks it can or will get by this move and I don't for one minute think the intention is to buy it then shut it down.  There's just no meaningful benefit in doing that, either.

 

As is so often the case, there's some sort of very wishful thinking going on in some executive suite somewhere.

 

Doesn't take much figuring out at all, Bri.

 

MyCrudSoft may have gone all 'touchy-feely' and 'We love Linux'' in recent years, but as the old saying goes, a leopard cannot & does not change its spots. Buy and shut down here would be quite in keeping with the old ethos; except in this case, instead of absorbing, shutting out the original developers then making out the coding was all their own idea in the first place, M$s advantage here will be to slam the door of the world's largest source-code repository in the face of the community whose OS was described by Ballmer as a 'cancer'....remember that?

 

At least he didn't pull his punches, and told it like it was. No elaborate disguises for Master Steve..... You can pretty much guarantee M$ have already backed-up to their own servers anything which could possibly be of any benefit to themselves.

 

Let's wait & see which way the crap flies, shall we? There's a long-term plan in the works, here, mate; you can almost smell it..... MyCrudSoft are not naive enough to think they can 'shut Linux down'. The Linux community is not a corporate entity.....so corporate bully-boy tactics won't work. Since barging-in and throwing your weight, bribes and threats around won't cut it, the next best way to achieve the same effect is a charm offensive.....all the while weaving a very devious web in the background. It's always 'wheels within wheels within wheels' with M$.....

 

M$ will settle for delivering set-backs to the 'competition', since they know they'll never shut them down by main force. They know full well there's a lot of inertia to outright change in our community, and that, too, will suit them down to the ground. I'm not convinced, but 'fairly certain' that this is what's in the offing; a planned campaign of set-back after set-back, all the while forging on ahead and attempting to get themselves ever more firmly ensconced in society's consciousness as the 'only' solution.

 

I could, of course, be completely wrong in all of this. It has been known..! Besides which, MyCrudSoft's legal department need to do something to justify their almost embarrassing existence...to say nothing of all those investors who expect a regular return (and bonuses) on their investment. And don't forget the legions of 'fanbois' who always jump to M$'s defence and sing their praises at the slightest excuse...!

 

 

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 09:01 AM

Thanks Mike, that sounds like tuppence worth of common sense to me.  :thumbup2:

 

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 04:18 PM

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Like I said earlier keep your friends close and your enemies closer. :)



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Posted 19 June 2018 - 05:33 AM

@ Mike_Walsh

 

Like I said earlier keep your friends close and your enemies closer. :)

 

+1! :thumbup2:

 

Another reason why Microsoft is interested in the open source community is to strengthen their main consumer offering, Windows 10. 

 

Anyone who runs Windows 10, dual boots Linux with it, or has dedicated machines for each (I'm more of the latter as of late), has noticed that the latest W10 versions are getting lighter & more secure. Whereas with the initial release in 2015 & for the next couple of years, sluggish on many computers, even those with power. Today's Windows 10 releases are as light as ever, it's (likely) due to some technologies obtained via the open source community. 

 

Microsoft has been getting their feet in the door of the open source community for a few years, that's (largely) why Ballmer had to be disposed of. Anyone with a modern NVIDIA GPU should know this much, Node.js has been included with their drivers packages before Microsoft purchased a seat on the Linux Foundation, the distributor of that technology. Exactly what node.js does, I don't know, the details are too technical for me to understand. However, one does not need Node.js for the latest drivers, rather part of the larger picture, GeForce Experience, of which I don't install with the drivers (it's bloat & includes Telemetry components). This is just one known area where Linux components are installed on Windows computers & was taking place a few months before Microsoft purchased that seat. Without Node.js, the GeForce Experience software can't do it's magic. 

 

As for GitHub, it's a large site where developers (free & non-free) gets together & gets things done. Not just Microsoft & Linux, many others are involved, large & small projects. 

 

This (sort of) reminds me of the Apple vs Microsoft wars in the late 90's when Apple was within death's door. They (Apple) had to swallow pride to survive, obtaining a $175 Million loan from Microsoft (to which Steve Ballmer was screaming against), and realized that for their survival, would have to accept that there were room for both brands on the market & make amends. 

 

This is the opposite of the above. Linux has been gaining market share at the expense of Microsoft over the last 2-4 years. Plus many of their Azure customers were on Linux while Ballmer was in charge, which increased once he was out. Therefore, for Microsoft to continue to survive & dominate the market, they had to realize that Linux & other open source projects are here to stay. The proof is all over the Internet, many primarily Windows forums now has a Linux community, the one here has seen growth since our overhaul 2-3 years back & unlike when I started with Linux, there's lots of articles & 'how-to' sties devoted to Linux usage. 

 

The bottom line being, Microsoft isn't spending all of this cash for nothing & no, it's not to deliver Linux the knockout punch. Although Canonical is a private corporation & could merge with Microsoft at any time, with approval by US regulators, their Ubuntu distro isn't the only one available, it's the most popular Home one, given that Linux Mint & others are built on it's back. Anything could happen there & I'm carrying on as usual until it does. Yet I don't believe it would be in Microsoft best interests to 'buy out' the open source community, even if they could. 

 

Given all of the open source talent on GitHub, Microsoft stands a lot to gain by it's existence & needs it, especially in the area of security and OS development. 

 

While I used to feel that Microsoft getting in the door was bad for Linux, don't feel the same today. There's room for everyone. :)

 

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 08:00 AM

I still don't understand why Microsoft needed to buy Github?  They were already using it, as anybody can.  See "github dot com/microsoft/vscode" > https://code.visualstudio.com/

 

Or how they expect a Github acquisition to add value to their business bottom line and stockholders?

 

I agree there is room for everyone, and collaboration breeds progress.  :cool:

 

It's also very important to distinguish between servers and desktops when discussing market share of Windows vs. Linux.

 

Unix, and Unix-like (which includes Linux) OS are the dominant web server OS today, and have been for years.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

 

That is not likely to change.  https://www.wired.com/2015/09/microsoft-using-linux-run-cloud/

https://www.pcworld.com/article/257073/microsoft_to_run_linux_on_azure.html

 

Windows is still the dominant computer desktop OS, but Microsoft is looking to emphasize other areas of their business as Windows is no longer a growth area for them.  https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/03/windows-leader-terry-myerson-out-as-microsoft-reorganizes-windows-division/

 

And about that Node.js thing.  It's not Linux.  It's a cross-platform open-source Javascript runtime environment for running Javascript on the server side, rather than on the desktop client.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Node.js


Edited by zzz00m, 19 June 2018 - 08:11 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2018 - 08:58 AM

Perhaps if Microsoft really wants to prove it's loyalty towards the open source community they should make Windows 10 OS available to download and activate without charge with the option of a $2.00 to $5.00 donation as the Linux community already does. :thumbup2:


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Posted 19 June 2018 - 10:20 AM

Perhaps if Microsoft really wants to prove it's loyalty towards the open source community they should make Windows 10 OS available to download and activate without charge with the option of a $2.00 to $5.00 donation as the Linux community already does. :thumbup2:

 

Why on earth would Microsoft need to "prove it's [sic] loyalty towards the open source community?"

 

We don't expect other businesses in the IT world to do so.  The open source community is not owed loyalty or fealty, nor is Microsoft.  Each is, and should be, free to pursue its own ends within the bounds of the law.


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Posted 19 June 2018 - 10:45 AM

Merely a thought britechguy that's all.


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