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Microsoft: If your device is >3 years old, you may not be able to enjoy new apps


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#1 midimusicman79

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 11:44 AM

Hi all!

I have Microsoft Windows 10 Professional 64-bit, running on a 2.5 year old desktop computer (If needed, full specifications are here: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/593360/building-my-first-high-end-workstation-pc-albeit-with-some-minor-tradeoffs/).

Somewhere on Microsoft's Home Page there is a statement that reads as follows:

"If your device is more than 3 years old, you may not be able to enjoy new apps."

The way I use my OS, I seldom use more than a handful of the already included Microsoft apps, and I seldom pay much attention to new apps anyway.

I understand the point of the above-mentioned statement, but does it also mean that I can continue to use my already preferred Microsoft apps even after my computer becomes 3 years old, or do I possibly need to upgrade any of my hardware before then?

Thank you very much in advance!

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Edited by midimusicman79, 08 June 2018 - 07:54 AM.

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 11:52 AM

What if that line was written 3 years ago? I haven't tried to find it and like so much on the web....even if found...the

date it was written wouldn't necessarily be obvious.


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Posted 07 June 2018 - 04:49 PM

New apps are not existing apps.   If it runs on your machine, and is not subject to any major revision by Microsoft, it will continue to do so.


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Posted 08 June 2018 - 09:00 AM

Hi, buddy215 & britechguy!

 

Thank you both for the prompt and insightful replies! :)

 

Most, if not all, apps that I use are standard ones that have been included since the inception of Windows 10, apart from some Edge browser security extensions like uBlock Origin and Ghostery, which are somewhat newer.

 

Even so, I almost never use Edge for much, but just in case whatever file type defaults to opening in Edge, I have installed the above-mentioned in order to secure Edge as much as possible, like other web browsers (Firefox is my favorite).

 

Of course, there are more available security extensions for other web browsers, since these are more popular among users, and as such, developers of security extensions focus on programming for these web browsers.

 

And besides, Edge and IE have their respective known limitations, and for example, my bank discourages customers from using Edge in favor of other web browsers.

 

Thank you very much for the help! :)

 

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Posted 08 June 2018 - 09:21 AM

musicman79,

 

          You're quite welcome.

 

          My only note here is that you need to avoid mixing apples (or apps) and oranges (browser extensions).  The two are not connected in any way.

 

          The issue with apps being incompatible with older hardware is most likely to hit the Store apps far harder than the built-in apps that have shipped with Windows 10 since its inception.  The only way the latter would become incompatible is if Microsoft were to make some very major revision to how they work "under the hood" and this is not very likely.  Third party apps from the Store tend to start exploiting newer features of Windows 10 (which is, in turn, exploiting features only available in newer hardware) a lot more promptly than Windows 10 itself does for the built-ins.  Most of the built-in apps are pretty basic in nature.


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    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

 

 

              

 


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Posted 08 June 2018 - 10:54 AM

Hi again, britechguy!

Sorry for the mix-up! :blink:

And thank you for the clarification! :thumbup2:

Regards,
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Edited by midimusicman79, 08 June 2018 - 10:58 AM.

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Posted 08 June 2018 - 11:38 AM

Its crap like this is why I am glad linux exists.

If you are not too much into the microsoft ecosystem give linux a try some time, its not a windows replacement but it is a nice alternative and works on a lot of hardware.

Depending on your software needs it may be an option in the future, sure you cant run edge or microsoft word in it (well word can work under linux but mainly with WINE) but linux does work for me at least


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Posted 08 June 2018 - 11:45 AM

Its crap like this is why I am glad linux exists.

 

Why?  [And I hasten to add that I am not unhappy that Linux exists.]

 

If you can name one ecosystem, including Linux, that has not orphaned things as time goes by then please do.

 

When features are created that rely on hardware support for them, and your hardware doesn't, it's hardly shocking that they will not work.  There is nothing exclusive to Windows about this, either.

 

I've been in this business since the 1980s, and am mystified when the expectation of either perpetual backward compatibility or eternal forward compatibility exhibit themselves.  Neither is a realistic expectation in the world of computing in any environment.


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    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

 

 

              

 


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Posted 08 June 2018 - 01:47 PM

Yeah but windows 10 does have some issues with older processors and systems.


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Posted 08 June 2018 - 02:13 PM

Have a good laugh: one of my main workhorse laptops, an ASUS ROG G6OVX...built in 2009 which I upgraded from Win7 to Win10. As an oldie It's purring along and MS apps that live free within Win10 {or that that I elect to install} seem to enjoy their ride. (Erm...thank heavens for BC...just in case!) 



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Posted 08 June 2018 - 02:48 PM

Yeah but windows 10 does have some issues with older processors and systems.

 

And?  So do certain Linux distros.

 

Anyone who expects Windows 10 to run on hardware issued during the XP era, for example, is unrealistic.  The really surprising thing is just how much old, and I don't mean a couple of years old, hardware Windows 10 is running on that Windows 10 was not designed for and vice versa.

 

I just don't get the complaints about Windows 10 that one can apply to other OSes as well.  They all have their pluses and minuses and none of them will run on every piece of PC hardware still in existence out there.  Them's the facts.


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    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

 

 

              

 


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Posted 08 June 2018 - 02:52 PM

Yeah but windows 10 does have some issues with older processors and systems.

 
And?  So do certain Linux distros.
 
Anyone who expects Windows 10 to run on hardware issued during the XP era, for example, is unrealistic.  The really surprising thing is just how much old, and I don't mean a couple of years old, hardware Windows 10 is running on that Windows 10 was not designed for and vice versa.
 
I just don't get the complaints about Windows 10 that one can apply to other OSes as well.  They all have their pluses and minuses and none of them will run on every piece of PC hardware still in existence out there.  Them's the facts.
the big difference of course between Windows and Linux is one has a multi-billion-dollar company behind it and the other does not so any deficiencies is more favor of Linux rather than Windows

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Posted 08 June 2018 - 03:05 PM

 

the big difference of course between Windows and Linux is one has a multi-billion-dollar company behind it and the other does not so any deficiencies is more favor of Linux rather than Windows

 

 

So?  That has nothing to do with the central fact that all OSes progress with time and leave certain software and hardware (particularly the latter, since it can't be fixed in the same way) in their wake.

 

It makes not one iota of difference if the OS is created by you in your garage or by Apple, IBM, or Microsoft.

 

Your complaint is based on a simple fact of computing life for every OS that stays in long use over multiple versions (not to mention hardware changing at lightning pace ever since I entered this business).


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    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

 

 

              

 


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Posted 08 June 2018 - 03:11 PM

Yeah but when you have so many resources it doesnt help your case, at least with linux i understand when some distros drop old hardware as they dont have the resources or funding,

Microsoft is a juggernaut though so any issues like this do bother me moreso then they do in linux.


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