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MS and PINs - STOP asking me to create one!!


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#1 britechguy

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 10:42 PM

I really, really fail to understand the sudden love of PINs (which are a misnomer, since you can choose to include alpha & symbol characters) over strong passwords.

 

With the installation of the update to bump Version 1803 to Build 17134.81 when you go to log in it tries to get you to create a PIN, but if you decline after hitting the NEXT button (there is no option to decline on the first screen) it takes you right back to the first screen and makes you go through the process, including declining again.

 

This has happened to me on two separate machines today, and on both there were "Microsoft Account" windows (2), both minimized in the task bar that cannot be dismissed.

 

I'll stick with my strong passwords (and even the only kinda strong ones) that have not ever been hacked, and I've been using some of them for 30 years now [no, I do not change all of my passwords on a regular basis, and never will - I'll take the risk, which seems to me to be quite small if you actually keep 'em hard to guess and reasonably long].

 

And, now, even after going through the above, and shutting down, it's BACK AGAIN!!

 

Have left a strongly worded message on the Feedback Hub under an existing topic entitled, Stop asking me to set up a pin!


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#2 MadmanRB

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 06:00 PM

I almost broke my installation of windows because of this on my dads computer, it is utterly crap.

Pins are no patch on a password, still easy to crack


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Posted 28 May 2018 - 06:13 PM

I almost broke my installation of windows because of this on my dads computer, it is utterly crap.

Pins are no patch on a password, still easy to crack

 

Only one of my machines that has been updated to 1803 has suffered this, and it started out life as a Win8.1 box and has been upgrading ever since.  My ancient machine that started out as Win7 32-bit has made it all the way to 1803, still without incident.

 

Whatever it is that triggered this madness is bound to get fixed.  I'm just thankful that I tend to stay logged on and with the machine running, or having gone to sleep, for days and days.  If I were a full shutdown and restart person and encountering this daily I have no idea whether I'd maintain any equanimity.


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     . . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

 

 

              

 


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Posted 28 May 2018 - 06:25 PM

I believe Microsoft's idea of Pins is it would be used in combination with biometric identification.

 

There is a big thread on reddit about Pins vs Passwords.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/3gd6ut/windows_10_says_pins_are_safer_than_passwords_how/



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Posted 29 May 2018 - 11:16 PM

Well, since nothing came out today I decided I'd had enough and would just do a restore from a system image I took at the very end of April (and since this is my secondary machine, that's plenty recent).  It's rolling right along at the moment and I think I'll just climb into bed and see how things turned out in the morning.

 

Since none of my other machines that went to Version 1803 have encountered this particular "burp," and the backup being restored is from the 1803 era, just before the cumulative update (KB4100403) that came out last Tuesday and caused this mess on that machine I should be back to normal.

 

Let's see if the next time that cumulative update is applied, and it will be, the same thing happens with regard to this PIN garbage.


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    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

 

 

              

 


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Posted 29 May 2018 - 11:26 PM

Indeed the only thing that this for is marketing it really is a crock of crap and only confuses people

Edited by MadmanRB, 29 May 2018 - 11:28 PM.

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:27 AM

Well, as it turns out I was mistaken about exactly when I took that last full system image update.  It was just before the feature update to Version 1803, so the machine is back on Version 1709 and this morning is applying various updates related to that version, including a couple of the late cumulative updates to it.

 

I will not make the mistake of clicking on the "Check for Updates" button again, which is what triggered the feature update on two of my machines, until after the feature update "arrives naturally" via the typical Windows Update process.  With any luck the kinks will have been worked out before it applies itself again.


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    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

 

 

              

 


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Posted 31 May 2018 - 06:52 PM

I will not make the mistake of clicking on the "Check for Updates" button again, which is what triggered the feature update on two of my machines

Arrrgggg, glad I'm not the only one so stupid to do this LOL, not saying your stupid Brian, but we did make a stupid little mistake with that lol.  I knew as soon as I clicked Check for Updates I'd made a big mistake...well not so big.


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Posted 31 May 2018 - 07:00 PM

 

I will not make the mistake of clicking on the "Check for Updates" button again, which is what triggered the feature update on two of my machines

Arrrgggg, glad I'm not the only one so stupid to do this LOL, not saying your stupid Brian, but we did make a stupid little mistake with that lol.  I knew as soon as I clicked Check for Updates I'd made a big mistake...well not so big.

 

 

The thing is, prior to Version 1803, I have never had any clicking of the "Check for Updates" button trigger a feature update.  In fact, on one of my machines I was clicking once per week when it had been multiple months since the feature update of that period had been released and it had not yet received it.  When it did receive it that was during a normal behind-the-scenes Windows Update cyclic check.

 

At first I thought that several of my machines had somehow ended up in the very early feature update cohorts, but by the time this occurred on machine number three I knew that my own action was triggering it.

 

It's not that I will never use the "Check for Updates" button again, but I certainly won't be pressing it in the first several weeks after a feature update is released!


Brian  AKA  Bri the Tech Guy (website in my user profile) - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 

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    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

 

 

              

 


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Posted 31 May 2018 - 07:38 PM

Well I for one got a kick out it [this thread]. THANKS!  . . . . as my Daddy once said, """"eeeeh don't sweat it kid, happens to the best of us. "

 

 

 

 

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 07:45 PM

The thing is, prior to Version 1803, I have never had any clicking of the "Check for Updates" button trigger a feature update.  In fact, on one of my machines I was clicking once per week when it had been multiple months since the feature update of that period had been released and it had not yet received it.  When it did receive it that was during a normal behind-the-scenes Windows Update cyclic check.

 

At first I thought that several of my machines had somehow ended up in the very early feature update cohorts, but by the time this occurred on machine number three I knew that my own action was triggering it.

 

It's not that I will never use the "Check for Updates" button again, but I certainly won't be pressing it in the first several weeks after a feature update is released!

 

Ahh, that makes sense Brian, that's what I was thinking also.  Unfortunately I don't work on these machines as much as you, so I'm not as familiar with all these things.  I mostly poke around on my Windows 7 machine, and from time to time work on some Windows 10 machines.


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Posted 05 June 2018 - 04:01 AM

I am glad I am using local accounts for all my PCs because this PIN issue seems quite the annoyance. It must be some overlooked glitch. Hopefully it will get addressed soon.






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