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Using XP in 2018


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#16 kaffekop

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 09:22 PM

I own a XP notebook which I use to control an external device (a hobby telescope) via a COM port. It can also be hooked up to a TI calculator and a MIDI keyboard, and Flight Simulator 2000 does not work on Win7 and above.
XP will after a fresh install still update itself to SP3, and not long ago I could download and install VB 2010 Express from Microsoft.
Even if not using the XP notebook for online banking it is an asset as it is useful for several purposes as a stable standalone programmable offline computer.



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Posted 07 July 2018 - 04:46 PM

There is absolutely no problem with continuing to use XP as a control system so long as you are not using it on-line, the risks are simply too great now. Not perhaps for you but anybody you communicate with. The problems come when, as the British NHS a couple of years ago discovered, if you have an XP computer controlling diagnostic equipment but you have it on the network so that scan results can be quickly passed to the specialist who asked for them.

 

I have a laptop running XP in my charge which hasn't had an update for several years but it is only used for scoring Club competitions and never goes on-line. In point of fact it can't since the wifi unit in it doesn't work which makes it pretty safe !

 

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Posted 08 July 2018 - 03:07 AM

Perhaps a bit off topic, but as we discuss the usefulness and security of XP in 2018: I own a domain with a very resonable plan as there is a traffic limit of 2GB per month. From XP I can connect to the domain via FTP (I use LeechFTP) and upload images taken with a webcamera attached to my telescope .
Does anyone know if XP is more vulnerable to attacks compared to e.g. Win7 or Linux when it comes to the FTP protocol? Years ago also Gopher, Usenet and IRQ protocols were popular, and e-mail clients like Mozilla Thunderbird can be set up to communicate directly with the POP or IMAP mail server at my host. Does anybody know if it only is the http protocol used when browsing (with Firefox etc.) that is looked upon as insecure when it comes to XP?


Edited by kaffekop, 08 July 2018 - 01:54 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 03:33 AM

I guess I just really can't, at any level, understand the desire to hold on to something that is dead, really and truly dead, and on top of it obsolete, unstable (I remember XP well, and while it was ahead of 95 & 98, I can't imagine not moving to Windows 7 ages ago, but not now), and not safe to use for typical activities at this point in time.
 
I have clients at the retirement facility down the street who don't cling to stuff like Windows XP.  I just don't get it!

Well, Bri, if you can be a little less condescending for a minute, I can give you one legitimate (IMHO) reason for staying with an OS past its expiration date. I have an old XP laptop and a new Win 10 laptop. I still use the XP machine because it has a couple of applications that I cannot move to Win 10. One of them is critical to my work. It contains client data for about 20 years (close to 3,000 clients). The version of that software that runs on Win 10 requires a dedicated server, which I am not prepared to get. So I continue to muddle along with XP until I can decide what I want to do with that application. Yes, I know, I can get a virtual cloud server, but that is another level of hassle. You may be a techie by trade, but for me, it's a tool. I do not want to spend half of my life keeping the damned thing working. If M$FT gave a damn about their customers, they would make upgrading less of a headache. They might also fix some of the thousands of bugs in Office, especially Word, that have been known for 20 years.

 


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:24 AM

 

I guess I just really can't, at any level, understand the desire to hold on to something that is dead, really and truly dead, and on top of it obsolete, unstable (I remember XP well, and while it was ahead of 95 & 98, I can't imagine not moving to Windows 7 ages ago, but not now), and not safe to use for typical activities at this point in time.
 
I have clients at the retirement facility down the street who don't cling to stuff like Windows XP.  I just don't get it!

 

Well, Bri, if you can be a little less condescending for a minute, I can give you one legitimate (IMHO) reason for staying with an OS past its expiration date. I have an old XP laptop and a new Win 10 laptop. I still use the XP machine because it has a couple of applications that I cannot move to Win 10. One of them is critical to my work. It contains client data for about 20 years (close to 3,000 clients). The version of that software that runs on Win 10 requires a dedicated server, which I am not prepared to get. So I continue to muddle along with XP until I can decide what I want to do with that application. Yes, I know, I can get a virtual cloud server, but that is another level of hassle. You may be a techie by trade, but for me, it's a tool. I do not want to spend half of my life keeping the damned thing working. If M$FT gave a damn about their customers, they would make upgrading less of a headache. They might also fix some of the thousands of bugs in Office, especially Word, that have been known for 20 years.

 

 

 

:lol:  +1

 

I was wondering if anyone was going to address Bri's post. That guy confounds.

 

Doling out some great advice (on a frequent basis) while simultaneously passing judgment. I know he lives in the Great Commonwealth but I'm not 100% sure if he's a Southerner. If he ain't, he sure ought to be.

 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:27 AM

@Cynthia Moore, If you have this legacy software for 3000 clients on XP I would recommend you create a complete disk image backed up to another device if you have not already done so. For software with 3000+ clients I would create images to two devices with one offsite.



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Posted 13 July 2018 - 06:43 PM

 

 

I guess I just really can't, at any level, understand the desire to hold on to something that is dead, really and truly dead, and on top of it obsolete, unstable (I remember XP well, and while it was ahead of 95 & 98, I can't imagine not moving to Windows 7 ages ago, but not now), and not safe to use for typical activities at this point in time.
 
I have clients at the retirement facility down the street who don't cling to stuff like Windows XP.  I just don't get it!

 

Well, Bri, if you can be a little less condescending for a minute, I can give you one legitimate (IMHO) reason for staying with an OS past its expiration date. I have an old XP laptop and a new Win 10 laptop. I still use the XP machine because it has a couple of applications that I cannot move to Win 10. One of them is critical to my work. It contains client data for about 20 years (close to 3,000 clients). The version of that software that runs on Win 10 requires a dedicated server, which I am not prepared to get. So I continue to muddle along with XP until I can decide what I want to do with that application. Yes, I know, I can get a virtual cloud server, but that is another level of hassle. You may be a techie by trade, but for me, it's a tool. I do not want to spend half of my life keeping the damned thing working. If M$FT gave a damn about their customers, they would make upgrading less of a headache. They might also fix some of the thousands of bugs in Office, especially Word, that have been known for 20 years.

 

 

 

:lol:  +1

 

I was wondering if anyone was going to address Bri's post. That guy confounds.

 

Doling out some great advice (on a frequent basis) while simultaneously passing judgment. I know he lives in the Great Commonwealth but I'm not 100% sure if he's a Southerner. If he ain't, he sure ought to be.

 

I love this place.

 

Winterland

 

If someone wants XP, they have a right to use it, even if it is not very safe. That guy just seems to think everyone must use the latest technology, and if he/she doesn't, that person is wrong.

 

I still use XP on my laptop, though not for internet, and it is fine. (If I want internet, I just use Windows 7 on the same laptop.)



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 01:20 AM

To be fair to Bri, most of what he stated is absolutely right!, and I think if you read the whole post you will see that he was really talking about using XP with internet connected! This would be foolish and even dangerous... But he did rather miss the point that XP is still very useful off line!



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 06:56 AM

Trendmicro provide a innocent virus for testing.

For the last couple of years I have used the free 360 Total Security Essential as antivirus on XP. With AV active and after saving the Trendmicro string as .txt  to the HDD the file immediately was deleted by 360 TSE.
With antivirus disabled I saved again and renamed the text string as eicar.com and could with Filezilla FTP upload to my private affordable Canadian repository (running a Linux Apache server). Afterwards, after again enabling AV and downloading the file via FTP the file again promptly and automatic was deleted.
The other day I installed Thunderbird 52.9.0 e-mail client where a guide made connections to my Yahoo and G-mail accounts very easy, where Thunderbird in fact yesterday updated itself with a security patch. Now with AV again disabled I could using Thunderbird send emails with the test virus attached from Yahoo to G-mail and vice-versa.

Yahoo mail never received the mail from G-mail and G-mail responded to the infected Yahoo mail with a dialogue box stating "This message was blocked because its content presents a potential security issue. Please visit htps://support.google.com/mail/?p=BlockedMessage to review our message content and attachment content guidelines".
From this It looks as if Yahoo as well as G-mail filter out potential threats using their own AV engines, in contrast to the Canadian server where my repository is located. In both cases the viruses was filtered out and in a way using XP for office work and if limiting communication with the outer world to FTP or e-mail to me seems reasonable secure.



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 04:51 PM

 

My parents still use XP. How come it's not recommended for online banking or purchases? Is there a breach in the system? It's easily hacked? 

 

Mod Edit:  Split from https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/677744/can-i-still-use-xp/ - Hamluis.

 

 

I think that many of you have not bothered to read the original post by the OP.  If you did...you would see that the OP's questions were about the security aspects of XP.  OP did not intend to start a topic on "why I use XP" or "why I like XP" or anything other than the stated security aspects.

 

All comments that did not address...the stated concerns of the OP...may prove "interesting", "irritating" and such...but they missed the mark in terms of being useful to anyone who had the courage to focus on the stated topic, IMO.

 

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 10:15 PM

@Cynthia Moore, If you have this legacy software for 3000 clients on XP I would recommend you create a complete disk image backed up to another device if you have not already done so. For software with 3000+ clients I would create images to two devices with one offsite.

Yes, I have the data files backed up to the cloud and a mirror image backup in my home.


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 10:18 PM

To be fair to Bri, most of what he stated is absolutely right!, and I think if you read the whole post you will see that he was really talking about using XP with internet connected! This would be foolish and even dangerous... But he did rather miss the point that XP is still very useful off line!

I completely agree with all of his points. I just took exception to the tone. I am trying to get off XP as quickly as I can. In the meantime, I have a very good reason for staying with it.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 12:53 AM

OP last active 25 May...I believe we may assume that the questions raised in initial post have been adequately answered.  Members may feel free to initiate their own topics about XP and its use in 2018.

 

This topic is now closed.

 

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Edited by hamluis, 15 July 2018 - 12:56 AM.





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