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Is Java Needed?


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#1 null__

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 01:13 PM

Just what the title says, is Java needed on most machines? Every computer I setup for customers I install Java on. Is this a thing of the past or is it still needed?


Edited by hamluis, 22 April 2018 - 02:07 PM.
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#2 Chris Cosgrove

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:56 PM

In general it is not needed on private computers. There are still some applications that need it, and if you are programming in Java then you need the JRE but in general, no.

 

Having said that, my favourite small game requires the JRE to operate !

 

If you need it it is easy enough to install, I would not install it as a matter of routine.

 

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 01:50 AM

I agree with Chris here. Some programmes will need the Java runtime, but these will usually install or ship the runtime with them, if it is not there. There is no need to install Java preemptively. It just opens up some more infection vectors.



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Posted 11 April 2018 - 06:46 PM

As stated its not required for normal use , i havent used for years on my daily used laptop , but sometimes i will install on desktop for when its needed.

Any PCs i repair i never install Java { same goes for Adobe Flash } as this may compromise those PCs in the future or the possibility.

If for any reason they think they need them { i tell them NO ! } its there choice to install.



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Posted 11 April 2018 - 09:26 PM

There were a couple of sites which usage required Java.  One of them was some language exchange site (its name I no longer remember) and another was the screencast-o-matic page for making screen recordings.  Now about screencast-o-matic, one can download a program for making screen recordings from them and then no longer need to have Java installed on the machine.  

 

One or two of the alternative Office type programs requires the use of Java for certain features to work.  Again, I do not any longer remember which of those Office programs these were/or are.  

 

I have NO Java installed on my (those which are really mine) computers, and I miss nothing about Java.  



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Posted 15 April 2018 - 01:18 AM

you didnt say where you're setting it up for and for what

 

no for me never need it



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Posted 06 May 2018 - 12:03 AM

As stated its not required for normal use , i havent used for years on my daily used laptop , but sometimes i will install on desktop for when its needed.

Any PCs i repair i never install Java { same goes for Adobe Flash } as this may compromise those PCs in the future or the possibility.

If for any reason they think they need them { i tell them NO ! } its there choice to install.

this is a two part question... #1 In a business environment, not developer though,(and no gaming) is there any need for Java? I get a lot of people that have it and I never want to uninstall it in case it breaks stuff, but I know that Java is bad for opening vulnerabilities... Almost wondering now if I should uninstall and see what happens, I can always reinstall if I need to...

 

#2- The statement about "Adobe Flash" would that include Acrobat DC Reader? I know Adobe is bad for security bugs, but I like my free PDF reader....Any suggestion on which one is good besides Foxit (which I do not like)? Or is that a totally different scenario from Flash? (my understanding is that flash is for playing videos, and chrome already has that covered)?



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Posted 06 May 2018 - 12:47 AM

A popular free pdf reader is Sumatra. I use this on all my machines without any problems.

 

https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/free-pdf-reader.html

 

I'm sure other poster will have other suggestions too.



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Posted 06 May 2018 - 08:47 AM

Hi all!
 
Personally, I used Java in the past for filing my taxes, but eventually, the IRS in my country, Norway, stopped requiring the population to have it installed and after some persuasion on the Bleeping Computer Forum, I decided to uninstall it, and to be honest I do not miss it at all! Good riddance! :smash:
 
And, given Java's long track record of vulnerabilities, I would never, ever, recommend installing it unless you are absolutely certain that you still need it for one or more Java-based program(s) (of course, I do not).

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Posted 06 May 2018 - 12:37 PM

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#1 It depends if in that business environment, they use applications that require Java

#2 Sumatra PDF, or you can use Chrome or Firefox


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Posted 06 May 2018 - 01:01 PM

Even though the company classes it as "Discontinued Software," Tracker Software has recently updated PDF-XChange Viewer, which I love.  It was considered discontinued with the introduction of PDF-XChange Editor (and you can edit fill-in forms in Viewer), but an update was made to it at the end of January of this year.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 08:06 AM

Awesome, I appreciate all of the input from you all! I've decided that when it comes to residential customers, I won't be installing Java. I started this a couple weeks ago and so far I haven't had any complaints!



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:22 AM

Hi again, null__!

You are welcome on behalf of the Bleeping Computer community! :)

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 06:38 AM

A popular free pdf reader is Sumatra. I use this on all my machines without any problems.

 

https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/free-pdf-reader.html

 

I'm sure other poster will have other suggestions too.

 

+ 1 Sumatra PDF Reader ,  changed to it a couple yrs ago and have never looked back.



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Posted 09 May 2018 - 10:43 AM

Thanks for the tips guys!






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