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#1 -FireBlazer-

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 04:46 AM

Hey there i have an old Laptop with 2GB RAM.. and it laggs constantly on Linux Mint its irritatinge when i want to watch youtube in Chrome it laggs like hell..
So i want to try out Puppy Linux but have some questions about it:

1. How big is the support for Hardware in Puppy?

2. How good is the Support for Puppy?

3. How many times does Puppy gets a new LTS version?

4. How are the Updates/Kernel Updates.. Security Updates Delivered?

5. Can i Customize Puppy, can i tweak it?

6. is Puppy Ubuntu-based orn't?

7. does Puppy support 3rd things like: (Dvd player, notepad and that stuff + does it have a Browser?)

8. How is the Software-center.. is it easy to intall things and uninstall things.. (+ can i use GDebi package installer on Puppy orn't..?)

9. How good does Puppy performs on old Hardware?

And any ideas/tips are always Welcome!!

Ooh and i wamt to try out Puppy on an old Toshiba Tecra Laptop from the years 98'.. do you think it will work on it?

Let me know if you can help me :)

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 07:25 AM

you can answer most of your questions about Puppy and at the same time see if it works on your old comp by simply using it without installing it.

If it solves the lagging then ask all of the other questions. That seems to me the way to go. Especially if the comp can boot from a flash drive.


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 07:29 AM

1. It seems to me Hardware support is as good as any.

 

2. There are good Support Sites!

 

3. Puppy doesn't Upgrade like regular Linux does, but it does upgrade, so I'll let others answer this.

 

4. Not positive about Updates.

 

5. Customize away!

 

6. Some puppies are Ubuntu based persay.

 

7. Yes

 

8. Once you learn it's not hard to install things.

 

9. Puppy is Super on older hardware, especially with weak cpu and limited RAM Capacities.

 

I don't know much about puppy so won't try to do into detail.  You did not mention the Model of the Tecra but you can look at this for a general idea.

 

Post your Models and more research can be done.  Video and Wifi can always potentially be an issue but should be able to be fixed.


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 07:40 AM

Hey there i have an old Laptop with 2GB RAM.. and it laggs constantly on Linux Mint its irritatinge when i want to watch youtube in Chrome it laggs like hell..

Forgot to address this. 

 

Again, post the specs of the pc's in question please, and the Desktop Environment that you are using on the affected laptop. 

EG: Linux Mint Mate 18.1, 64bit

 

I've run Linux Mint Mate on many laptops with 2GB of RAM and they all played video from youtube fine, even while creating documents and doing other surfing and work.  Perhaps you are running Cinnamon, or the newer Mint on very old laptop, which I find don't work well.

 

To post your Specs.

 

1. Open Terminal, Ctrl+alt+t will bring up Terminal, if it don't open just Click on Menu and you will see the Terminal under “System” in Mint.  Or in Ubuntu's, Open Launcher and Type Terminal.
 
2. For Linux Mint, Copy Paste this Command into Terminal and Hit Enter.
inxi -Fxz
 
3. For Ubuntu's use
sudo lshw -short
 
4. Then Click “Edit” in Upper Left of Terminal > Click “Select All” > Click “Edit” > Click “Copy” > Then in your Post, Click the "Code" Box at Top Middle of your Post, which looks like this “< >” and “Ctrl+V” Pasting into the Code Box, OR, just into the Body of your next Post will be fine also.

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 08:17 AM

Puppy tends to run as root, often with a outdated browser (known vulnerabilities to execute code), which potentially opens up any other system/hardware on your LAN.


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 08:27 AM

Puppy tends to run as root, often with a outdated browser (known vulnerabilities to execute code), which potentially opens up any other system/hardware on your LAN.

 

In other words (according to rufwoof), don't bother...

 

Ruffers would rather direct you to Debian stable. Just sayin'. (Outdated software.....but the best security model in the business). Which many people seem to be far more worried about.....

 

(*shakes head*)

 

I may run Puppy myself.....but I don't tend to recommend it to beginners. Especially when you're already used to the 'buntu/Mint way of doing things. (I must be unusual in this respect. Most folks tend to 'wax lyrical' about what they like using themselves. I won't do that, not when it's not the best way forward.)

 

Puppy is very, very different. But, if you want to try it, fine; go right ahead. Just do us one, small favour, please? Don't ask a million questions. I have very little time for 'ditherers', who can't make their minds up. Just 'burn' it to CD or USB, and try it. What's the worst that can happen?

 

Here's some reading material, which is very relevant:-

 

https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/fear-not-root/

 

 

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Edited by Mike_Walsh, 07 April 2018 - 09:26 AM.

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 10:25 AM

Hi Mike :)

 

Thanks for posting that link.

 

I've been fortunate with Puppy. My Linux skills are minimal at best, but I've been able to use Puppy on Live DVDs with out effort because for my purpose, mostly browsing the Internet, they work 'out of the Box' for me.

 

I got to thinking about what ruffwoof posted concerning 'root' and DNS settings on a router.

If the router is passworded as it should be and that password is not kept in the browsers bookmarks or elsewhere in Puppy, the only way for an intrusion to gain access to the router is during a session when the router is accessed.

When accessing my router, I've been in the habit of disconnecting the router from the modem before a fresh boot, making changes, then rebooting Puppy.

As nothing is retained from one boot to another, I would think intrusion into the router would have to come from a different vector.

 

Sometimes paranoia covers the bases with out even knowing :D



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Posted 07 April 2018 - 11:12 AM

Which version should i use then for my old laptop with 2GB.. Linux Mint XFCE, or Xubuntu XFCE, or Linux mint Mate.. please help me to choose :/ 



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Posted 07 April 2018 - 11:17 AM

Once having root access it only takes a second to report back what hardware is accessible (outbound "request" with that information included), and receive back a return of what code to run next ... perhaps to copy the BIOS to the hacker and then flash it with a ransomware notice. DNS/redirecting traffic to a proxy that the hacker controls are just one of many potential exploits. In my own particular case, a Virgin Hub main 'router' doesn't permit changing the DNS, that's supplied/managed by Virgin themselves (but does mean that they have/keep records of all DNS lookups i.e. activity and there's no way of opting out of that unless you use another router behind that).

 

Security is a process not a product, so yes Puppy can be secure, providing you have a deep understanding of the correct processes. Booting a pristine/factory fresh OS/browser that's isolated from the rest of the LAN and just going directly to a web site nowhere else before or after, and even booting vastly outdated software/OS is relatively safe. A risk there however is that if a loss does occur and say your online stock brokerage account was emptied, then a dispute could see the onus being thrown into your court. That extends to others who might use the same LAN.

 

Yes Puppy is great fun, is great as a recovery/admin CD/DVD to have lying around, is great introduction to Linux, and would likely work well on the OP's hardware. But the OP's questions indicate that they care about security and security patches etc. and Puppy tends to fall short in that area. It's never had a proper security audit and its update methods are rather loose/weak (but improving). More a case of a hobbyist Linux where you keep on top of those sorts of things more manually yourself.


Edited by rufwoof, 07 April 2018 - 11:20 AM.

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 11:53 AM

Hey there i have an old Laptop with 2GB RAM.. and it laggs constantly on Linux Mint its irritatinge when i want to watch youtube in Chrome it laggs like hell..


Unfortunately this problem may prevail using Linux, although you may notice an improvement with a lighter distro such as Puppy, in comparison to Mint.

I had the same problem with an old laptop which was (just) capable of streaming youtube using XP (without any anti-virus software slowing it down), but could never manage to do so with any Linux distro I tried. The best distro I found for playing video on it was an old version of Puppy. By downloading a video then playing it using the ancient version of VLC that came with that version of Puppy, it could just about play full screen without any stuttering.

I suspect the problem could be due to the monolithic Linux kernel becoming 'involved' in playing videos, in ways in which the Windows kernel doesn't. Whatever the reason though, more processing power seems to be required to play videos with Linux than with Windows.

It isn't noticeable on more modern computers that have amply processing power, but on older hardware that couldn't run a modern version of Windows, it can be a problem as you have found.

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 02:51 PM

Ruffers is right, unfortunately. Puppy doesn't have an 'organisation' behind it (like Ubuntu's Canonical, or Debian, etc) who maintain the package manager, issue regular system/software updates, and generally take care of everything for you. It's all very hands-on with Pup, i.e., DIY! Puppy is entirely community-built & produced, built during their spare time by folks holding down a normal 9-5 to pay the bills. They don't get paid for working on Puppy; it's all totally voluntary. And around 65% of the available software for Puppy is built by ordinary forum members like myself; Pup contains all the necessary tools to build and create our very own software packages.

 

I agree, security IS a 'process'.....not just the software involved. And yes; Pup can be 'secure'. (We have our fair share of 'tin-hat' paranoids on the Puppy forum, believe me.....who are constantly looking for ways of making Puppy more secure!) But as many have said, the Linux firewall will stop 99% of nasties; if you do 'catch' summat, it's more than likely looking for a Windoze system to infect!

 

Running from the Live CD w/out a save-file/folder, simply running entirely in RAM, is a pretty good start. Bearing in mind RAM's volatile nature, at power-down, the whole thing just vanishes into thin air..... The one thing you want to worry about, more than anything else, is protecting your personal data. The system stuff can be replaced in very short order.....but your personal stuff is often irreplaceable. A good way is to save everything to an external drive, then unplug it when you're not actually using it; in fact, only plug it in at the end of a session when you want to save things, then unplug it till the next end-of-session.

 

More reading matter for you; this one is quite fun, although a bit on the long side. It really hits the nail on the head about the difference between Windoze and Linux:-

 

http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

 

And this one, short & sweet; the 'PuppyMaster', Barry Kauler, talking about the perceived pitfalls of running as root:-

 

http://bkhome.org/archive/puppylinux/technical/root.htm

 

 

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Edited by Mike_Walsh, 07 April 2018 - 03:15 PM.

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 03:00 PM

Which version should i use then for my old laptop with 2GB.. Linux Mint XFCE, or Xubuntu XFCE, or Linux mint Mate.. please help me to choose :/ 

 

 

Hey there i have an old Laptop with 2GB RAM.. and it laggs constantly on Linux Mint its irritatinge when i want to watch youtube in Chrome it laggs like hell..

Forgot to address this. 

 

Again, post the specs of the pc's in question please, and the Desktop Environment that you are using on the affected laptop. 

EG: Linux Mint Mate 18.1, 64bit

Again, how would we know if you don't tell us what you are trying to run this on, and what you have tried so far?  

 

Model Number of the pc may be a good start, and which Distro was not working well???


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 04:00 PM

FireBlazer....check out the info at 5 Lightweight Linux For Old Computers

 

My first choice in that list would be Free Operating System - Linux Lite


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 04:24 PM

 

Puppy tends to run as root, often with a outdated browser (known vulnerabilities to execute code), which potentially opens up any other system/hardware on your LAN.

 

In other words (according to rufwoof), don't bother...

 

Ruffers would rather direct you to Debian stable. Just sayin'. (Outdated software.....but the best security model in the business). Which many people seem to be far more worried about.....

 

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I use Debian Stable and it's outdated software it works and it's rock solid stable and users should be concerned with security using any OS. :thumbup2:


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 04:42 PM

The browser is easy to update, you download the .deb unzip it and copy the contents to your Mozila folder replacing the old files.






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