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Ubuntu will spy on you?! Not really


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#1 MadmanRB

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:10 AM

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-data-collection-opt-out

 

Unlike the Amazon search controversy this seems far more benign in its execution.

 

But of course the tin foil brigade is already comparing this to Microsoft and windows 10.

 

I can see this here as a good thing, help improve hardware compatibility


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 12:36 PM

I posted response to this on the Bleeping News page. At least Ubuntu respects us enough to give up an opt out feature and Apport can be uninstalled. 



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 06:47 PM

As well as providing opt outs the telemetry here does seem to be fairly clearly related to system and compatibility, especially low level stuff, and not towards the kind of "user experience" or perhaps activity type stuff which windows 10 is suspected to collect. By being open about exactly what is being collected, giving users options to say no, and then asking nicely and telling people why the telemetry should be helpful Ubuntu could do very well from this. It shouldn't kick up any of the storms windows 10 has.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 06:57 PM

I'd have preferred it if they'd made it opt-in rather than opt-out

 

From a PR point of view, opt-out options nearly always come back to bite you. People generally like to be asked, rather than taken for granted.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 06:57 PM

Double post.


Edited by Gary R, 15 February 2018 - 06:58 PM.


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Posted 16 February 2018 - 03:04 AM

So does this mean that when Linux Mint 19 is released, a similar opt-out will be included in the installer there ? ( Linux Mint 19,  is due (tentatively) in June 2018, based on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.)

 

I do wonder what Clem's thoughts are on the topic.


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Posted 17 February 2018 - 06:43 PM

Post #4, I would guess they made it opt-out rather than opt-in to get the largest number of users to leave it as it is set. Someone who was ambivalent about it would leave the checkbox, however it was set, at it's default. As they have given an opt-out (and I think they'll be making it quite clear rather than hiding it away to be sneaky??) I can't really criticise it, though an opt-in would be more polite to users. It is however important to ensure that there is always a clearly visible opt-out and that it isn't changed in future to be locked on.
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Posted 17 February 2018 - 06:58 PM

I agree, Opt in would have been better


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Posted 18 February 2018 - 05:56 AM

I agree, Opt in would have been better

 

+1! :thumbsup:

 

Not only in regards to this issue, rather all. Let the customer or user make the physical choice to opt-in, chances are (these days) that most won't. :)

 

It's also a more consumer friendly business practice, rather than an half-hearted one. There may be time limits on how long one 'opts-out' or policies can change. Like in the US, opting out of many services are often time limited to 5 years max, not a lifetime choice. 

 

Hopefully Linux Mint simply won't have the Apport choice to make, the team modifies the base Ubuntu distro to reflect their & user's preferences. Often decisions are made based upon feedback during the early beta releases, unlike many others, Clem takes Linux Mint followers seriously over many issues. The more that speaks out against Apport (& many will), the better the chance to be pulled before the final Preview becomes released. :)

 

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Posted 18 February 2018 - 06:57 PM

 

Let the customer or user make the physical choice to opt-in, chances are (these days) that most won't

It makes it easier for Ubuntu to fix problems.


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Posted 18 February 2018 - 09:54 PM

Glad to hear that at least one OS is allowing this (hopefully) w/out strings attached. :)

 

If so, will be the first in a long time. Now if only Linux distros would get rid of Yahoo & Amazon out of the Firefox browser (often Yahoo search by default), we'll be making greater strides. 

 

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:38 PM

Just read this. This is more important than your thread seems to say: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.es.html 



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Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:46 PM

Eh its rather tin foil hat, gnu is not my authority and to hell with Stallman.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:55 PM

Glad to hear that at least one OS is allowing this (hopefully) w/out strings attached. :)

 

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:50 AM

 

Glad to hear that at least one OS is allowing this (hopefully) w/out strings attached. :)

 

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There's always strings.

 

 

And there is "no free lunch."

 

Back to another of cat1092's comments:  Let the customer or user make the physical choice to opt-in, chances are (these days) that most won't

 

And therein lies the problem.  When features are being added (and system health telemetry is one of them) that are to the sometimes near immediate and always long term benefit to the end user, why would it be better to give most of them, who don't understand this or a heck of a lot else regarding computing, a default option that is to their detriment?

 

Default options should be based upon an educated supposition about what is of the most benefit to the most involved.  It's not some ideological purity test, nor should it be.  In this case that's undoubtedly an opt-out, not an opt-in.


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