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computer wont boot until 4th-6th try


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#1 ashgallows

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 11:26 AM

I cloned my internal hard drive because I thought it was on it's last legs (startup into windows was really slow).

the new drive worked pretty much the same, but it worked.

the last windows update did something and now the new drive wont boot up.

i put the old one back in and it will boot on the 4-6th try. I reinstalled windows 10 on it and it made no difference. I replaced my power supply with a new one that was more robust, no difference. I reseated all the mobo cables and ram sticks, no difference. I also pulled out the battery for the cmos, nothing.

is this just a situation where i need a new mobo? or is there something i havent thought of? 

 

computer is an hp p6-2330 with 16g ram and an AMD A10-5800K with a new 430 power supply, windows 10 home edition. both drives are wd sata 1TB drives.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:18 PM

quite likely a motherboard issue,

 

when you say it takes 4 or more tries to boot....what exactly is it doing on the failed attempts?


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:39 PM

fans start up, lights come on. the hdd light will blink once and then nothing. blank screen, just the case sitting there with the lights and fans on really. then after a couple of tries it comes to life. but it's not always the same amount of tries.



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Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:40 PM

how old is it?  did you look at the capacitors next to the cpu heatsink to see if they have bulged up on top or even popped open?  bad caps are common on older boards and will cause this issue.



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Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:40 PM

most likely motherboard



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Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:59 PM

the caps appear fine. i had to take the heat sink/fan off to thoroughly check them. going to put some more arctic silver on the cpu and put it back on.



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Posted 23 January 2018 - 01:19 PM

Press the Windows key OS4o0pO.png and the R key to open the Run box.

Type cmd in the Run box, press the following keys together to run the Command Prompt as an administrator.

Shift, Ctrl, Enter

When the Elevated Command Prompt opens copy and paste the three commands below one at a time, press Enter after each command.

Bootrec /fixmbr

Bootrec /fixboot

Bootrec /rebuildbcd


You should see the following.

Scanning all disks for Windows installations.

This may take a while, please do not stop the scan.

If this was successful you will receive the following message.

Successfully scanned Windows installations.
Total identified Windows installations: 0
The operation completed successfully.

 


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 01:45 PM

thanks dc3, I have a new development. i cant get into windows now. every other boot time the hdd light will be on solid for a couple of minutes and then will go dark. nothing on the display the whole time. 



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Posted 23 January 2018 - 01:59 PM

The disc you will create using the information below will provide you with a bootable SeaTools for DOS which will run without need of the operating system being active.

 

Please download SeaTool for DOS to your desktop.  This will make it easy to find the ISO file.

When the SeaTools for DOS website opens click on I Accept, then click on the Download button.

This download is a ISO image which you will need to burn to a CD or DVD in order to create a bootable disc which can be used to run the diagnostic tests.

To burn this ISO file to a CD or DVD use the instructions below.

Notice:  This applies only to Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 10, earlier versions do not have this option.

1.  Place a blank CD or DVD in the tray of your optical drive and close the tray.

2.  After you have downloaded the ISO image you want to burn right click on the Start orb, then choose Windows Explorer.

3.  When Explorer opens click on Downloads in the left pane.  Scroll down till you find the ISO file you want and double click on it.  Click on Burn Disk Image.

4.  After the image has completed being burned click on Close.

Please note:  You may need to change the boot order in the BIOS so the CD/DVD-ROM is the first device in the boot order, and the hdd is the second device.

Once the disc is created load it in the CD/DVD drive and restart the computer.

If the disc is recognized you should receive a message instructing you to press any key to continue to boot from the disc.

Please run the short test and include the results in your next post in this topic.


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 02:07 PM

o.k. finally got windows to boot. i did what you said, but command prompt says Bootrec is not a recognized command. do you still want me to use seatools, or should i try something else in command prompt?


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 02:25 PM

Are you using an administrator account when you run these commands?

 

You need to copy and paste the whole command in the Command Prompt one at a time, press Enter after each command.

 

1)       Bootrec /fixmbr            Press Enter

 

2)       Bootrec /fixboot           Press Enter

 

3)       Bootrec /rebuildbcd    Press Enter


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 02:45 PM

yes. the 3 key command did not work as far as setting up an admin command prompt. i just now found command prompt in the start menu and right clicked and selected run as admin and that worked.

i copy and pasted the first command you suggested  Bootrec /fixmbr and the prompt said Bootrec is not a recognized command. the prompt i am in says Administrator: command prompt.

 

i am using windows 10 home edition version 1709 if that helps



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Posted 23 January 2018 - 03:25 PM

One more try... are you using an administrator account rather than a user account?  The Command Prompt needs to be run as an administrator.


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 03:42 PM

i only have one account, I right clicked on the the prompt and set it to run as admin. the top title bar of the prompt says:     Administrator: Command Prompt

 

i just read something about booting from the windows install usb and doing this before windows loads. i suppose i'll try that and see if your commands will run from there.



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Posted 23 January 2018 - 03:52 PM

fixmbr said it did it's thing

fixboot said access denied

and rebuild/bcd said it did it's thing

 

btw in order for these commands to work you must not be in windows

you go settings>update and security>recovery>and advanced startup. from there, you can select command prompt and instead of c: it will be X:

 

i dont know why they changed it, maybe confusing us is fun for them :)

 

aside from that, this did not solve the problem 






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