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PC Freezes and also different BSODs


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#1 Joscha

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 10:59 PM

Hello,

 

I have a problem with my PC since 3 or 4 weeks now. It startet with random freezes with some kernel power error in event log arround once a day. It could happen all the time, no matter what I did (Browsing, Excel, Gaming). Since a couple of days, the pc also crashed with BSOD windows with different errors. I tried a lot of stuff a friend told me to do, but nothing helped so far. I did memtest without any errors and also testing my SSD and HDD with good results. So hopefully, someone here knows what to do. I added answers to the asked questions and the SysnativeFileCollectionApp.zip. I appreciate your help.

 

 

 System Manufacturer
          · Exact model number (if laptop, check the label on bottom)

Desktop PC, bought different parts on my own.

        · OS - Windows 10, 8.1, 8, 7, or Vista?  If Windows 10, please include the Version number and Build Number.

Win 10 Version 1709 Build 16299.15

                  Under Windows 10, to obtain this information hit the Windows Key, type "winver", hit Enter.
        · x86 (32-bit) or x64 (64-bit)?

64 bit

        · What was original installed OS on system?

No system was installed

        · Is the OS an OEM version (came pre-installed on system) or full retail version (YOU purchased it from retailer)?

Full retail version

        · Age of the computer (hardware)

18 months

        · Age of OS installation - and whether you have re-installed the OS

18 months, but did inplace installation a couple of hours ago. It did not fix the problems. No complete reinstallation was made so far.

          · Laptop or Desktop computer? Desktop
               · CPU: AMD FX-8350-Wraith 8x
               · Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
                 If Desktop please also include:
                      · MotherBoard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 So.AM3+ Dual Channel DDR ATX Retail
                      · Power Supply - brand & wattage: PSU 500 Watt be quiet! Pure Power L8

 

Thanks for your help!

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 12:10 PM

Sorry for the delay in responding.
Do you still need help with this?
If so, post back and I'll get to it as soon as I can (within 48 hours)


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Posted 05 January 2018 - 02:07 PM

Thank you for your time, so far the problem seems solved to me. Right before I opened this thread, I updated my chipset and network drivers. Since this time no more freezes or BSODs happened. I will watch the situation, if it will appear again I will post again.



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Posted 05 January 2018 - 03:49 PM

If they recur, start with looking at these 2 sets of reports:

Report Set #1)  Please run this report collecting tool (even though you may not be experiencing BSOD's) so that we can provide a complete analysis: (from the pinned topic at the top of the forum)   http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/576314/blue-screen-of-death-bsod-posting-instructions-windows-10-81-8-7-vista/

If you have problems with it running it, there's an alternate tool here (direct download link):  https://github.com/blueelvis/BSOD-Inspector/releases/download/1.0.5/BSODInspector-1.0.5.exe

NOTE:
Please zip up the (.ZIP) files - do not use .RAR or other compression utilities. 
.ZIP is the type file that can be uploaded to the forums.

Report Set #2)  Wait for the system to freeze, then recover and immediately do the following:
- open Event Viewer (run eventvwr.msc from the "Run" dialog)
- expand the Custom Views category (left click on the > next to the words "Custom Views")
- right click on the "Administrative Events" heading
- select "Save all Events in Custom View as..."
- save the file as Admin.evtx
- zip up the file (right click on it, select "Send to", select "Compressed (zipped) folder")
- upload it with your next post (if it's too big, then upload it to a free file-hosting service and post a link here).

FYI - If we're looking for Event ID 41 errors (unexplained shutdowns), there's more info on that here:  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2028504
The Event ID 41 error is simply Windows saying that it doesn't know why it shutdown.

While waiting for a reply, please monitor your temps with one of these free utilies: 
SpeedFan:  http://www.almico.com/sfdownload.php
HWMonitor:  https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
HWInfo:  https://www.hwinfo.com/download.php


 
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Posted 06 January 2018 - 10:15 AM

Now one of the freezes without a BSOD happened again. I did report set #1 and #2 and attached the file. It is Error 41 like you mentioned before. My System is not overclocked and memtest found no errors in my RAM. I started tracking the temperatures now, but does one of the tools permanently saves the temperatures, so I can check the temperatures after a freeze happened?

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Posted 06 January 2018 - 05:54 PM

The EventID 41 error is just Windows saying that it doesn't know why it shut down.

 

There are ways to log temps - but they're not as reliable as just keeping your eye on the temps.

Here's one that I had suggested in the past:

 

Also, monitor your system's temperatures with this free tool: 

SpeedFan v. 4.5.1 and later (free from here:  http://www.almico.com/sfdownload.php ) can log temperatures in a CSV file:

To make it work you have to do BOTH of the below:

1. Enable logging in general: Configure...Log...check "Enabled" then click on OK to save.

2. Enable logging for specific checks: Configure...Temperatures..left click on each sensor, then click on "Logged" at the bottom of the Window (for our purposes we want them all) then once you've selected "Logged" for all sensors, then click on OK to save.

The log will be located at C:\Program Files (x86)\SpeedFan

Naming: log files are named SFLogYYYYMMDD.csv, where YYYY is the year (four digits), MM is the month (2 digits, zero padded) and DD is the day (2 digits, zero padded). If a file already exists by that name, the file that already exists is renamed according to the following naming scheme: SFLogYYYYMMDD-CCCC.csv, where CCCC is a increasing number. The new file is then created with the standard file name scheme.

Notes: whenever you change the options related with logging, SpeedFan starts a new log file.

NOTE:You may want to turn logging off when we're done - as I don't know it's impact on performance or on the system.

 

 

The only errors that I see in the Admin log file that might be significant are related to the processor's performance.  I'd suggest BIOS/UEFI updates along with chipset driver updates.  Both are available from the system manufacturer's support website.

 

I'm about to go out for dinner, but wanted to put this last bit in.
I've noticed signs of piracy on this system.

Unfortunately it appears that the system has pirated software.
Please get a legitimate copy installed and we'll be glad to help.

Here's suggestions on how to ensure that your version is legitimate:  http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/genuine

Please be aware that we may not be able to fix it (as the hacks that were done to activate it will cause the OS to behave differently than we expect it to). If that's the case, our efforts to help may just waste your time. Secondly, the forum rules prohibit assisting with pirated software - so the topic would be closed if that is the case.

As a courtesy, I will offer an analysis of your issues using the reports you provided.
I will not answer any questions about the analysis until the system is made legitimate.
If you do make it legitimate, please submit a new set of reports for us to check.

Just FYI, sometimes the owner won't know about this.  So here's 2 scenarios that might ring a bell:
- if they had a "friend" help with the computer - and the "friend" installed a pirated copy.
- or they used a copy that they had from another OEM computer.  The OEM license is tied to the hardware that it came from - so you can't just use it on another system (that means that it's pirated).

And here's the analysis:

I will finish the analysis within the next 24 to 48 hours (most likely in the early AM tomorrow (east coast of the US time)).

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 09:20 AM

There are no memory dumps in the uploaded reports.

 

Your UEFI/BIOS (version 2603) dates from 2015.  Please check at the manufacturer's website to see if there are any UEFI/BIOS updates available for your system.  If you are able to install the update through Windows (without booting from an external drive), then go ahead and update it.  WARNING - if the computer might shut down during this procedure, please don't do it, as this may physically damage the computer and prevent it from booting.
FYI - W8 and W10 communicate more with the UEFI/BIOS than previous versions of Windows, so it's important to ensure that the UEFI/BIOS is kept up to date (and the outdated UEFI/BIOS' may be the cause of some compatibility issues).

Although you appear to have a reasonable number of Windows Update hotfixes for this version of your OS, please double check for any new Windows Updates.  It only takes one update to cause a problem, so it's essential that you have all of them.  The actual number is not important.  Rather it's important that you checked manually, installed any available updates, and didn't experience any errors when checking or updating.

C: drive only has about 3% free space.  Windows likes 15% free space in order to perform stuff "behind the scenes" without adversely affecting the system's performance.  Please free up 15% on ALL hard drives (you can get away with 10% on larger drives and won't notice a large performance penalty).  Low free space can cause BSOD's - but the actual amount depends on the files being used by the system.

The WER section of the MSINFO32 report shows several BSOD events - but provides no specifics that will help diagnosing them.I suggest uninstalling the old drivers and then installing fresh copise of the most recent, W10 compatible drivers/software for:
- your BIOS
- all drivers for your system/motherboard from the manufacturer's website.
- all drivers for any attached devices that didn't come with the system/motherboard.
- all drivers for any software that didn't come with the system/motherboard.
Ensure that ALL are compatible w/Windows 10 (and that the system itself is compatible w/W10).
 

In the event that the above doesn't fix the problem:

My suggested way to diagnose a hardware problem (3 steps):

Step #1)  Please run these free hardware diagnostics:  http://www.carrona.org/hwdiag.html
    Please run ALL of the tests and let us know the results.
    FYI - These are the tests and what we usually see for the reports:

        1 - Antivirus/antimalware scans:  In short, if there are Trojans or other serious malware - start over in the Am I Infected forums
        2 - Memory diagnostics:  Run MemTest86+ for at least 3 passes.  If booting from UEFI, run MemTest86 instead.  Let us know if there were any errors reported
        3 - Hard Drive diagnostics:  Don't sweat the details here.  In short, run the Seagate Seatools Long/Extended test from a bootable disk.  If unable to run it from a bootable disk (UEFI and some others), then run the Seagate Seatools for Windows from within Windows.  There are no diagnostics for SSD's, just run the Crystal Mark tests and let us know if there were any failures
        4 - Furmark:  run the test until the temperature stabilizes.  Don't let it get much over 90ºC.  Let us know the temp it stabilizes at and if there were any problems running the test (other than slowness).
        5 - Prime95:  run the Blend test for 24 hours (this may not be possible, but run it as long as you can.  Look for errors in the output, or for problems running the test (freezes/crashes)
        6 - Video 2 (other video tests):  there's several tests here.  Run all of them.  I'm especially interested in the Video Memory Test.  Let us know the results of the test(s)
          - A - simtek.org memtest
          - B - Video memory stress test
          - C - Artifact Locator
          - D - OCCT - 4 built in tests for CPU, GPU, PSU
          - E - Video Memory Stress Test
        7 - CPU tests:  run at least one test on your CPU and let us know the result.


Step #2)  If all the tests pass, then try to perform a clean install of Windows:

A clean install is:
        - Windows is installed to a freshly partitioned hard drive with legitimate installation media (W10:  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 ).
        - The installation media is only a copy of Windows, not the OEM recovery disks that you can make on some systems.
        - Windows is fully updated after it's installed.  That's ALL updates - none excepted.
        - NO 3rd party software is installed.
        - There are no errors in Device Manager (if you find any, post back for suggestions).
         - The BIOS/UEFI is updated to the latest available version (this presumes that the system is compatible w/Windows 10 also).

        This will wipe everything off of the computer, so it's advisable to backup your stuff first.
        Also, it will wipe out all the special software that the OEM added to the system, so if you rely on any of that - let us know what it is so we can figure out a way to save/download it (the easiest way is to create/obtain the OEM;s recovery media)

        If unable to find recovery media that has the software (or if you suspect that this is a hardware problem), you can make an image of your system that'll preserve everything in the state that it was in when you made the image.  You can also do this if you don't want to try another hard drive - yet you want to be able to return to the current system state.
        One drawback to this is that you're making an image of a malfunctioning system - so, if there are errors in the system software, you'll have a nice copy of them [:(]
        Another drawback is that the image of the system will be very large - so you'll most likely need a large external drive to store it on.
        But, this will allow you to save everything on the hard drive (although you'll need an image viewer to get things out of the image).
        The point here is that, if it's a hardware problem, then you can restore the system to the point it was when you made the image - after you repair the hardware problem.
        You can obtain more info on imaging in the Backup/Imaging/DiskMgmt forums located here:  http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/f/238/backup-imaging-and-disk-management-software/

        The point of doing this (the clean install) is to:
        - rule out Windows as a problem (if the problem continues, it's not a Windows problem as you completely replaced Windows
        - rule out 3rd party software (if the problem continues, it's not a 3rd party software problem as you didn't install any 3rd party software)
        - so, if the problem continues, it must be a hardware problem.

        OTOH, if the problem stops, then it was either a Windows or 3rd party software problem.  If the problem doesn't come back, then you've fixed it.  Then all that remains is setting the computer back up the way that you'd like it and importing your data from the backup you made.


Step #3)  Then, if the clean install confirms the hardware problem, try this procedure to isolate the problem device(s):  http://www.carrona.org/strpdown.html

 

 

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