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#1 adrianadrianadrian

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 06:09 PM

I have a problem where my PC has a tendency to have a hard lockup within 30 to 60 minutes of it booting. There is no overclock applied, and temperatures measured by HWMonitor seem to be in check. The system passes two passes of memtest86 and windows memory diagnostic without any problems at all. There is no BSOD (just the system freezing and not responding to caps lock) and it can happen anytime doing anything like web browsing to gaming. This issue occurs at least one or twice a day.
 
My computer specs:
 
CPU: AMD FX 6300 Black Edition
CPU cooler: Corsair H60 water cooler
Motherboard: Asrock 970 Extreme3 R2.0
RAM: Adata 2x4GB DDR3 @ 1333mhz
GPU: Asus GTX 970 Strix
Storage: 128GB Sandisk SSD and 1TB Western Digital HDD
OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit
PSU: EVGA 500B
 
Things I've tried:
- Running chkdsk on my storage
- Running memtest86 (two passes)
- Running Windows Memory Diagnostic (passed)
- Running sfc scannow (no issues)
 
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Posted 01 January 2018 - 01:39 AM

Have a look in the Event Viewer under 'Windows Logs''.. under both Applications and System and see what errors are listed at the time of the lock up.



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Posted 02 January 2018 - 07:20 AM

Wait until it locks up again, then recover from it and immediately generate these 2 sets of reports:

 

Let's try looking at these 2 sets of reports:

Report Set #1)  Please run this report collecting tool (even though you may not be experiencing BSOD's) so that we can provide a complete analysis: (from the pinned topic at the top of the forum)   http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/576314/blue-screen-of-death-bsod-posting-instructions-windows-10-81-8-7-vista/

If you have problems with it running it, there's an alternate tool here (direct download link):  https://github.com/blueelvis/BSOD-Inspector/releases/download/1.0.5/BSODInspector-1.0.5.exe

NOTE:
Please zip up the (.ZIP) files - do not use .RAR or other compression utilities. 
.ZIP is the type file that can be uploaded to the forums.

Report Set #2)  Please do the following:
- open Event Viewer (run eventvwr.msc from the "Run" dialog)
- expand the Custom Views category (left click on the > next to the words "Custom Views")
- right click on the "Administrative Events" heading
- select "Save all Events in Custom View as..."
- save the file as Admin.evtx
- zip up the file (right click on it, select "Send to", select "Compressed (zipped) folder")
- upload it with your next post (if it's too big, then upload it to a free file-hosting service and post a link here).

FYI - If we're looking for Event ID 41 errors (unexplained shutdowns), there's more info on that here:  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2028504
The Event ID 41 error is simply Windows saying that it doesn't know why it shutdown.

While waiting for a reply, please monitor your temps with one of these free utilies: 
SpeedFan:  http://www.almico.com/sfdownload.php
HWMonitor:  https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
HWInfo:  https://www.hwinfo.com/download.php


 
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Posted 06 January 2018 - 06:54 PM

 

Wait until it locks up again, then recover from it and immediately generate these 2 sets of reports:

 

Let's try looking at these 2 sets of reports:

 

Report Set #1)  Please run this report collecting tool (even though you may not be experiencing BSOD's) so that we can provide a complete analysis: (from the pinned topic at the top of the forum)   http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/576314/blue-screen-of-death-bsod-posting-instructions-windows-10-81-8-7-vista/

If you have problems with it running it, there's an alternate tool here (direct download link):  https://github.com/blueelvis/BSOD-Inspector/releases/download/1.0.5/BSODInspector-1.0.5.exe

NOTE:
Please zip up the (.ZIP) files - do not use .RAR or other compression utilities. 
.ZIP is the type file that can be uploaded to the forums.

Report Set #2)  Please do the following:
- open Event Viewer (run eventvwr.msc from the "Run" dialog)
- expand the Custom Views category (left click on the > next to the words "Custom Views")
- right click on the "Administrative Events" heading
- select "Save all Events in Custom View as..."
- save the file as Admin.evtx
- zip up the file (right click on it, select "Send to", select "Compressed (zipped) folder")
- upload it with your next post (if it's too big, then upload it to a free file-hosting service and post a link here).

FYI - If we're looking for Event ID 41 errors (unexplained shutdowns), there's more info on that here:  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2028504
The Event ID 41 error is simply Windows saying that it doesn't know why it shutdown.

While waiting for a reply, please monitor your temps with one of these free utilies: 
SpeedFan:  http://www.almico.com/sfdownload.php
HWMonitor:  https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
HWInfo:  https://www.hwinfo.com/download.php


 

 

 

Hello, sorry for the delay. I've attempted to reinstall my copy of windows via the refresh function in settings and have also reseated my RAM and my SATA cables, but the PC is still having the lock up problem.

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 10:14 AM

I see several of these errors in the Admin logfile:

 

The system firmware has changed the processor's memory type range registers (MTRRs) across a sleep state transition (S5). This can result in reduced resume performance.

I suspect the BIOS/UEFI, but it can also be caused by chipset/storage/video/and other drivers.(to include Intel programs)
Start by updating the BIOS/UEFI to the latest available version.  While at the manufacturer's website, update the rest of the drivers from there.

 

The systeminfo.txt report shows that Windows was installed recently.  Was this a clean install of Windows - or just a "REFRESH" as you described earlier?
Please describe which procedure that you used to "REFRESH" the system.  This relates to my suggestions at the end of this post.

 

Your UEFI/BIOS (version P2.60) dates from 2016.  Please check at the manufacturer's website to see if there are any UEFI/BIOS updates available for your system.  This is just in case there has been a more recent update.
FYI - W8 and W10 communicate more with the UEFI/BIOS than previous versions of Windows, so it's important to ensure that the UEFI/BIOS is kept up to date (and that outdated UEFI/BIOS' may be the cause of some compatibility issues).

Although you appear to have a reasonable number of Windows Update hotfixes for this version of your OS, please double check for any new Windows Updates.  It only takes one update to cause a problem, so it's essential that you have all of them.  The actual number is not important.  Rather it's important that you checked manually, installed any available updates, and didn't experience any errors when checking or updating.

Beyond that, I don't see any significant problems in the reports.

 

My suggested way to diagnose a hardware problem (3 steps):

Step #1)  Please run these free hardware diagnostics:  http://www.carrona.org/hwdiag.html
    Please run ALL of the tests and let us know the results.
    FYI - These are the tests and what we usually see for the reports:

        1 - Antivirus/antimalware scans:  In short, if there are Trojans or other serious malware - start over in the Am I Infected forums
        2 - Memory diagnostics:  Run MemTest86+ for at least 3 passes.  If booting from UEFI, run MemTest86 instead.  Let us know if there were any errors reported
        3 - Hard Drive diagnostics:  Don't sweat the details here.  In short, run the Seagate Seatools Long/Extended test from a bootable disk.  If unable to run it from a bootable disk (UEFI and some others), then run the Seagate Seatools for Windows from within Windows.  There are no diagnostics for SSD's, just run the Crystal Mark tests and let us know if there were any failures
        4 - Furmark:  run the test until the temperature stabilizes.  Don't let it get much over 90ºC.  Let us know the temp it stabilizes at and if there were any problems running the test (other than slowness).
        5 - Prime95:  run the Blend test for 24 hours (this may not be possible, but run it as long as you can.  Look for errors in the output, or for problems running the test (freezes/crashes)
        6 - Video 2 (other video tests):  there's several tests here.  Run all of them.  I'm especially interested in the Video Memory Test.  Let us know the results of the test(s)
          - A - simtek.org memtest
          - B - Video memory stress test
          - C - Artifact Locator
          - D - OCCT - 4 built in tests for CPU, GPU, PSU
          - E - Video Memory Stress Test
        7 - CPU tests:  run at least one test on your CPU and let us know the result.


Step #2)  If all the tests pass, then try to perform a clean install of Windows:

A clean install is:
        - Windows is installed to a freshly partitioned hard drive with legitimate installation media (W10:  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 ).
        - The installation media is only a copy of Windows, not the OEM recovery disks that you can make on some systems.
        - Windows is fully updated after it's installed.  That's ALL updates - none excepted.
        - NO 3rd party software is installed.
        - There are no errors in Device Manager (if you find any, post back for suggestions).
         - The BIOS/UEFI is updated to the latest available version (this presumes that the system is compatible w/Windows 10 also).

        This will wipe everything off of the computer, so it's advisable to backup your stuff first.
        Also, it will wipe out all the special software that the OEM added to the system, so if you rely on any of that - let us know what it is so we can figure out a way to save/download it (the easiest way is to create/obtain the OEM;s recovery media)

        If unable to find recovery media that has the software (or if you suspect that this is a hardware problem), you can make an image of your system that'll preserve everything in the state that it was in when you made the image.  You can also do this if you don't want to try another hard drive - yet you want to be able to return to the current system state.
        One drawback to this is that you're making an image of a malfunctioning system - so, if there are errors in the system software, you'll have a nice copy of them [:(]
        Another drawback is that the image of the system will be very large - so you'll most likely need a large external drive to store it on.
        But, this will allow you to save everything on the hard drive (although you'll need an image viewer to get things out of the image).
        The point here is that, if it's a hardware problem, then you can restore the system to the point it was when you made the image - after you repair the hardware problem.
        You can obtain more info on imaging in the Backup/Imaging/DiskMgmt forums located here:  http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/f/238/backup-imaging-and-disk-management-software/

        The point of doing this (the clean install) is to:
        - rule out Windows as a problem (if the problem continues, it's not a Windows problem as you completely replaced Windows
        - rule out 3rd party software (if the problem continues, it's not a 3rd party software problem as you didn't install any 3rd party software)
        - so, if the problem continues, it must be a hardware problem.

        OTOH, if the problem stops, then it was either a Windows or 3rd party software problem.  If the problem doesn't come back, then you've fixed it.  Then all that remains is setting the computer back up the way that you'd like it and importing your data from the backup you made.


Step #3)  Then, if the clean install confirms the hardware problem, try this procedure to isolate the problem device(s):  http://www.carrona.org/strpdown.html

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 04:33 PM

Hello, thanks for replying.

 

As far as I can see, my UEFI/BIOS already has the last update my motherboard manufacturer has released on their website (version P2.60). As for the other drivers provided by my motherboard manufacturer, I have already installed whatever they had on their site.

 

Regarding the systeminfo.txt report, my windows reinstall wasn't a clean one from a USB stick. I simply used the "Reset this PC" function in settings because I didn't have a USB memory stick at the time. Concerning updates to Windows, there isn't really anything to catch up on. My chipset, video, network adapter drivers are already updated to the newest ones released by the manufacturers. Storage drivers don't really exist for me as far as I can tell. 

 

I've also noticed many errors in my event log about:

 

The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID 

 

Could this be an issue too?

 

For now, I am going to run some stress tests that you have suggested. Thank you!

 



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 07:34 PM

Generally I don't worry about COM Server errors as they don't seem to impact the kernel side of the system memory space.
If you can identify the CLSID and figure out which program it relates to - you can try uninstalling that program to see if it helps.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:05 AM

Antivirus / Antimalware tests came out okay (tested with Malwarebytes). RAM went through 5 passes of Memtest86 without any problems. Seatools long generic test passed on all my drives.

 

I'm starting to believe perhaps something is wonky with my SATA controller or cables at this point. I've noticed the crashing only occurs during downloading (web browsing / using Deluge ) or if I am loading a game and rapidly accessing the contents of my drive. 



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:06 PM

Seatools also tests the controller.  If you suspect cabled, they're cheap enough to just try another set.

Have you finished the other diagnostics?


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 03:11 PM

I've run the benchmarks and stress tests and they seem okay. Also, I've tried changing the SATA cables and switching to different ports on the motherboard but the problem is still present.

I doubt the problem relates to the temperature / power supply of my PC as I can play games for hours at a time and manage to not crash at all, but still sometimes crash immediately after firing it up. Leaving my PC on and idle for days at a time doesn't crash the PC either, but loading and downloading still triggers the crash and forces me to use the reset button.



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 03:20 PM

Try a clean boot and see if that helps:

 

Perform a Clean Boot:  http://www.thewindowsclub.com/what-is-clean-boot-state-in-windows

If that stops the problem, then re-enable things a few at a time until you figure out what's causing it.
Then uninstall the problem program (from Start...Settings...Apps...Apps & Features - if you don't find it there, check the right sidebar for Programs and Features and see if you can remove it from there).

 

If the system still has problems, then try this clean install to help rule out hardware problems:

 

A clean install is:
- Windows is installed to a freshly partitioned hard drive with legitimate installation media (W10:  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 ).
- The installation media is only a copy of Windows, not the OEM recovery disks that you can make on some systems.
- Windows is fully updated after it's installed.  That's ALL updates - none excepted.
- NO 3rd party software is installed.
- There are no errors in Device Manager (if you find any, post back for suggestions).

This will wipe everything off of the computer, so it's advisable to backup your stuff first.
Also, it will wipe out all the special software that the OEM added to the system, so if you rely on any of that - let us know what it is so we can figure out a way to save/download it (the easiest way is to create/obtain the OEM;s recovery media)

If unable to find recovery media that has the software (or if you suspect that this is a hardware problem), you can make an image of your system that'll preserve everything in the state that it was in when you made the image.  You can also do this if you don't want to try another hard drive - yet you want to be able to return to the current system state.
One drawback to this is that you're making an image of a malfunctioning system - so, if there are errors in the system software, you'll have a nice copy of them :(
Another drawback is that the image of the system will be very large - so you'll most likely need a large external drive to store it on.
But, this will allow you to save everything on the hard drive (although you'll need an image viewer to get things out of the image).
The point here is that, if it's a hardware problem, then you can restore the system to the point it was when you made the image - after you repair the hardware problem.
You can obtain more info on imaging in the Backup/Imaging/DiskMgmt forums located here:  http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/f/238/backup-imaging-and-disk-management-software/

The point of doing this (the clean install) is to:
- rule out Windows as a problem (if the problem continues, it's not a Windows problem as you completely replaced Windows
- rule out 3rd party software (if the problem continues, it's not a 3rd party software problem as you didn't install any 3rd party software)
- so, if the problem continues, it must be a hardware problem.

OTOH, if the problem stops, then it was either a Windows or 3rd party software problem.  If the problem doesn't come back, then you've fixed it.  Then all that remains is setting the computer back up the way that you'd like it and importing your data from the backup you made.


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