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#1 cpunoob

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 07:53 PM

gonna use walmart.com or amazon.com

ive bought enough crap from them to trust i will get help if something goes wrong

 

how much ram do i need to run win10, or should at least have

want it to at least play hd videos, none of the ones i have now can do that 8)

 

ive had hp in the past

but one was dell, i liked how easy it was to access the stuff inside

 

i want to spend less than 200 dollars, is that too little

browsing and streaming vids, little gaming

need something to just be there, but want speed for doing eset and malwarebyte scans

 

 

something like this looks tempting

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Optiplex-Windows-Certified-Reconditioned/dp/B074VD4XV3/ref=sr_1_9?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1510791138&sr=1-9&refinements=p_n_operating_system_browse-bin%3A12035945011%7C17004927011%2Cp_n_condition-type%3A2224371011%2Cp_computer_cpu_speed-bin%3A3+GHz+%26+Up

 

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Optiplex-780-Desktop-Professional/dp/B0733Q2ZZ4/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1510793445&sr=1-2&refinements=p_n_operating_system_browse-bin%3A12035945011%7C17004927011%2Cp_n_condition-type%3A2224371011%2Cp_computer_cpu_speed-bin%3A3+GHz+%26+Up%2Cp_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A7817224011



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:41 AM

You need 2GB, 4GB will work, and 8GB or more is preferred.

 

For the HD video you need to verify that the video card supports a resolution of at least 1920 x 1080.  You're probably going to have to go to Dell to see that.

 

Gaming, may or may not work on a sub $200 machine.  It really depends on the games, Plants vs Zombies - yes, Star Wars Battlefront II - no.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:29 AM

If you are going to run these dorky little flash games that you can access online for free, you are fine as far as specs go. If you are even 10% serious about gaming, you will be wasting your money.


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Posted 17 November 2017 - 09:37 AM

Agreed that 8 Gb is optimal. 4-6 will be usable.  2Gb will be painfully slow.

 

On this class system, in this price range, you will most likely get integrated graphics.  This means graphics either provided by the motherboard chipset (older computers like the Pentium 4, Core 2 Duo generations) or by a GPU integrated onto the CPU itself (newer processors, e.g. Core i3's, and AMD A series APU's). The latter type are generally better.  They are just newer, so likely to have more support for things like later versions of DirectX, HD video acceleration and so on. 

 

Simply put - for better graphics performance it's better to get a more recent system than an older one.  The systems you've linked to probably date from around 2009-2010.  

 

Something like this for example is a far more recent system, https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-ThinkCentre-Quad-Core-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B074PBR688 and should be pretty capable at browsing, HD video, and very simple (e.g. browser based or very old) games. This is another that looks OK for the money - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CV9G1BO/

 

I do agree with Ranchhands comments - this type of machine are normally old office PC's sold off in bulk and bought by firms who clean them up and then sell them on for profit.  99% of them are not, and never can be, serious gaming computers.  They are perfectly capable of doing browsing, office type software, and playing videos though.


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Posted 17 November 2017 - 04:00 PM

If you are going to run these dorky little flash games that you can access online for free, you are fine as far as specs go. If you are even 10% serious about gaming, you will be wasting your money.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 04:12 PM

Agreed that 8 Gb is optimal. 4-6 will be usable.  2Gb will be painfully slow.

 

On this class system, in this price range, you will most likely get integrated graphics.  This means graphics either provided by the motherboard chipset (older computers like the Pentium 4, Core 2 Duo generations) or by a GPU integrated onto the CPU itself (newer processors, e.g. Core i3's, and AMD A series APU's). The latter type are generally better.  They are just newer, so likely to have more support for things like later versions of DirectX, HD video acceleration and so on. 

 

Simply put - for better graphics performance it's better to get a more recent system than an older one.  The systems you've linked to probably date from around 2009-2010.  

 

Something like this for example is a far more recent system, https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-ThinkCentre-Quad-Core-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B074PBR688 and should be pretty capable at browsing, HD video, and very simple (e.g. browser based or very old) games. This is another that looks OK for the money - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CV9G1BO/

 

I do agree with Ranchhands comments - this type of machine are normally old office PC's sold off in bulk and bought by firms who clean them up and then sell them on for profit.  99% of them are not, and never can be, serious gaming computers.  They are perfectly capable of doing browsing, office type software, and playing videos though.

 

u recommended quad cores

are dual cores really that slow now with win10?

 

this pc would be used for browsing and playing hd videos

and some flash games



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 05:23 PM

 

u recommended quad cores

are dual cores really that slow now with win10?

 

 

No, not really.  But four is likely to allow you to do more before your computer starts to feel "bogged down" if you have lots of programs or browser windows open, and background tasks running, so having them is no bad thing.  The AMD one is arguably not "true" quad core anyway, as it has two "processor modules" which are each each made up of two integer cores sharing a single floating point unit.  They'll do what you want, no problem though.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:15 PM

is ddr 3 really that much better than ddr 2?

 

i cant make up my mind!!!

there are less and less models to choose from!!!!

 

 

the ones that look good to me

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01CL91IPS/ref=dp_olp_refurbished_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished

 

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-OptiPlex-WINDOWS-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B00NBRGQIE/ref=sr_1_7?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1511422801&sr=1-7&refinements=p_computer_cpu_speed-bin%3A3+GHz+%26+Up%2Cp_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A7817224011%2Cp_36%3A2421880011%2Cp_n_operating_system_browse-bin%3A12035945011%7C17004927011

 

do i have  to get windows 10? i can just upgrade for free still?


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 09:42 AM

If you buy a desktop right now then it should normally come with Windows 10 pre-installed without the need for you to buy it. However there is another option you may want to consider because you have such a low budget you're not going to be getting a whole lot of decent machines for that price range and really windows will run like a slug. You may want to invest in a Chromebook as if you're just using this computer to go on the web and not really needing Microsoft Word or anything like that you could get by with a Chromebook. I mean for the amount of money you're not going to be getting the best hardware and to be honest if you're just using a computer to browse the web a Chromebook might be a good alternative. Sure it's not a full operating system and you cannot install Windows programs on it but there are a lot of cool handy applications in the Chrome ecosystem

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 11:41 AM

i have thought about and will probably buy a chromebook later in the future

but for now i need a windows machine 8(

i wont be the only one using it

 

any advice on a brand to go for or especially avoid

ive never used or seen lenovo, have had over 5 hp's, was looking for a dell this time



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Posted 23 November 2017 - 12:03 PM

Understood.

As for brands at that price point all will be about the same as you will find mainly older machines here.

That Dell Optiplex 780 tower looks good, full desktop so no Small form factor but easily modded and it comes with a monitor so good deal.

Windows 10 will come with it so no need to worry about that part.

Just ditch the floppy from it if it comes with it, useless.

You could always get something like this in the bay if it comes with the floppy drive:

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820223120

 

Micro USB and USB2 ports, just ignore the USB3 connector.

Easy to connect to the motherboard and fit into the case.

Very easy mod there, but the floppy drive will be pretty much useless and a waste of time


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 01:55 PM

i forgot i have over 60 bucks in walmart bucks

 

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Refurbished-Dell-790-Desktop-PC-with-Intel-Core-i5-Processor-8GB-Memory-2TB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-10-Pro-Monitor-Not-Included/44489319#read-more

 

i can go up to about 250

 

https://www.walmart.com/browse/electronics/refurbished-desktops/3944_3951_132982_1231068_1230174?cat_id=3944_3951_132982_1231068_1230174&facet=operating_system%3AWindows+10%7C%7Cprocessor_brand%3AIntel%7C%7Cprocessor_speed_general%3A3+GHz+%26+Up%7C%7Cram_memory_general%3A8GB&page=1&sort=price_low#searchProductResult

 

what looks good 8)

browsing, hd video streaming, little gaming

 

what is difference between dell 780 and 790?



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Posted 23 November 2017 - 02:02 PM

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Refurbished-Dell-Black-790-Desktop-PC-with-Intel-Core-i5-Processor-8GB-Memory-2TB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-10-Pro-Monitor-Not-Included/44489321

 

I would go with this one

 

$235.39 and with good specs and a full size desktop.
There are often cons to small form factors such as no real space for a secondary drive and proprietary power supplies

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 02:15 PM

 

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Refurbished-Dell-Black-790-Desktop-PC-with-Intel-Core-i5-Processor-8GB-Memory-2TB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-10-Pro-Monitor-Not-Included/44489321

 

I would go with this one

 

$235.39 and with good specs and a full size desktop.
There are often cons to small form factors such as no real space for a secondary drive and proprietary power supplies

 

 

or this one, slightly cheaper

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Refurbished-Dell-790-Desktop-PC-with-Intel-Core-i5-Processor-8GB-Memory-2TB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-10-Pro-Monitor-Not-Included/44489319#read-more



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Posted 23 November 2017 - 02:19 PM

Again do consider the drawbacks, its cheaper because its small form factor and has a proprietary power supply so if you need a replacement it wont be as easy or cheap to replace it.

Plus it will limit you on what you can add in like possibly slapping a solid state drive into it.

I like machines that can be modded, the slim model is cheaper yes but you will lose out on possibly being able to mod your machine and or replacing parts.

The extra $10 will go a long way here.


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