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To build or not to build


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#1 D_A_R_K_Knight

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 11:28 PM

background on me:

 

Im very technically savvy so building would not be an issue, although I have never built a computer before. Usage will be some web browsing, music and movie downloading (iTunes) and I do video game so this will be its main use. I currently play Guild Wars 2 which is an older game by todays standards but may expand out into BF2 and some FP shooter. I moved to Mac about 5 years ago and may come back to Windows. (hate on Mac if u want but its been way more stable than all of my windows machines!! I have been gaming since the 90's)

 

System I am considering to build:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JvY3hq

 

Some of these parts are over priced on parts picker, I have this down to about $1450.00ish (price spike on the 580 :( )

 

but here is the question, right now theres a Dell PC (i know i know) for $1299.95 with much more

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-1700x-32gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-580-2tb-hard-drive-256gb-solid-state-drive-recon-blue/5901711.p?skuId=5901711

 

So I ask, why build? Same video card, 32gb ram vs 16gb in my build, 1800X over the 1600. I would prefer to try my first build but the price.....some honest, no troll, advice would be appreciated.


Edited by hamluis, 09 November 2017 - 06:13 AM.
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#2 Planemaster2

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 12:38 AM

This looks more even. You spent much more than needed on the case and WiFi adapter.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($284.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($81.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($280.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - BX300 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($87.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card ($259.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WN881ND PCI-Express x1 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter ($17.88 @ Amazon)
Total: $1297.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-09 00:33 EST-0500

The main thing that makes the Dell machine cheaper is the Windows OS. They can get it for much less than we do. Even with the prices adjusted, it's still cheaper by 50$ so what's the catch?

Well with building the PC, the main thing is the power supply. Pre Builts are notourious for low end power supplies (not all pre builts are like this but when they don't mention it, assume this is the case). The build we have has a much better power supply which regulates the voltages well and ensures the parts last. The Dell one is probably some non branded one they bought in bulk from a Chinese factory which will fail in 2 - 3 years time. That's where they aced some of the money.

Another thing is with a built PC, you won't have to deal with the bloatware which manafacturers install on most PC's these days.

In my opinion, it's worth the extra $50 to go built as opposed to buy. If we were building however, there are a few things to change.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($193.44 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($81.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - BX300 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($87.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Video Card ($484.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WN881ND PCI-Express x1 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter ($17.88 @ Amazon)
Total: $1300.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-09 00:30 EST-0500

Here, I've swapped the CPU down to a 1600 as the 1700 hasn't got much much more gaming performance (games utilise around 4 threads on average). The RAM is reduced 16 GB which is more than enough. Most games use around 8GB with demanding ones going up to 10 GB. These savings allow us to get a 1070 Ti which is considerably better than the 1060
System Specs:
 
OS: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit                                           - Motherboard: GA-78LMT-USB3 6.0 (Socket M2)           - Audio: Corsair HS40 USB Gaming Headset
CPU: AMD FX-6350 (Vishera 32nm Technology)         - Display: HE247DPB (1920x1080/60Hz)                          - Optical Drives: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NSD1 ATA Device
RAM: 12.00GB Single-Channel DDR3/801MHz                - GPU: 2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti (MSI)         - Storage: 931GB TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 ATA Device (SATA)

#3 D_A_R_K_Knight

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 01:00 PM

Some good points about the bloat ware and poor power supplies. These are some things identified in the past with Dell and their Alienware line. The 1800X is overkill this is why in my parts build I had a Ryzen 16000. I am willing to float the extra 50-75 for the NXT Razer case if I build.

 

Whats your thoughts on the AMD 580 listed in my build vs a GTX1060? or the 1070TI u suggested. The reason I was avoiding Nvidia was if you want to take advantage of their Gsync this will also inflate the monitor cost. Thoughts?


Edited by hamluis, 12 November 2017 - 04:22 PM.


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 01:16 PM

The RX 580 is a great GPU but it's price has been driven up by cryptocurrency mining so it's wildly overpriced compared to the 1060 6GB. Both perform much the same so it really doesn't matter. The 1070 Ti is just quite a bit more powerful than either one so you should take that into account. In my opinion, as Nvidia is the only one which isn't inflated, just grab a 1070 Ti and a monitor without G-Sync as it probably doesn't matter too much.


System Specs:
 
OS: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit                                           - Motherboard: GA-78LMT-USB3 6.0 (Socket M2)           - Audio: Corsair HS40 USB Gaming Headset
CPU: AMD FX-6350 (Vishera 32nm Technology)         - Display: HE247DPB (1920x1080/60Hz)                          - Optical Drives: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NSD1 ATA Device
RAM: 12.00GB Single-Channel DDR3/801MHz                - GPU: 2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti (MSI)         - Storage: 931GB TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 ATA Device (SATA)




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