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#1 Learning123

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 01:33 PM

I am running Windows 10 Home 1709 version. I just cleanly installed it from scratch and have not connected to internet yet. For now, I am only trying to harden the system first from within its only admin account I create as part of setup.

 

As part of this hardening, I normally disable some of the services. With this Windows version, however, I noticed a couple of those are grayed out when I go to disable them and so I cannot change their default Automatic settings.

 

Specifically, "DNS Client" and" WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto Discovery" services are grayed out from being able to be disabled.

 

I had no issues disabling these on earlier version of Windows 10 Home (I think it was 16xx).

 

I tried stopping real-time anti-virus protection from Windows Defender but that did not help.

 

Questions:

 

(1) Why are some services grayed out from being disabled by admin?

 

(2) What's special about these 2 services now that they are grayed out?

 

(3) What's the best workaround?

 

I've seen one via registry changes (HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\ -> find your service name (folder) -> set Start entry to 4) but have not tried it yet, as I figured maybe I must have these running now, unlike before.

 

In addition, "Xbox Game Monitoring" service is not grayed out but when trying to Disable it and clicking Ok or Apply button, I get error message saying "Access is denied". So again, unclear why that is.

 

Thanks!


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Posted 06 November 2017 - 01:28 AM

My own personal view on this is that it is better to fully install 1709 with 'check for updates' run until it says there are no more BEFORE you start altering things.

 

This way you will avoid the possibility of the OS not working correctly.



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Posted 06 November 2017 - 10:01 AM

Before downloading and installing any updates it's a good practice to create a new system restore point in case things go awry in the process.  This could save you a large headache.


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Posted 06 November 2017 - 11:10 PM

Connected to internet and ran all updates but still having same issue.



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Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:03 AM

Try downloading the 1709 ISO.

 

How to Download Official Windows 10 ISO files Using Media Creation - Microsoft Community


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:21 AM

I already did - that's how I set it up to begin with



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Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:26 AM

If this is installed and is functioning remember the old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

 

I have never heard of "hardening the system".  You shouldn't need to do anything after installing the update.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:02 PM

Hi, it is a term commonly used among computer scientists and engineers, we use it to describe:-

 

Most computers offer network security features to limit outside access to the system. Software such as antivirus programs and spyware blockers prevent malicious software from running on the machine. Yet, even with these security measures in place, computers are often still vulnerable to outside access. System hardening, also called Operating System hardening, helps minimize these security vulnerabilities.

 

Although these two are not high on the list, they are greyed out since their service state is non stoppable, they can only be modified through the registry.

 

SC and net start cmd's will return access denied. I don't bother with these two, the proxy is usually set to manual and unless you use a server, it is not much required on a home computer, still it does no harm if you disable both (dns cache also integrates with  dhcp... so one will still be doing the cacheing) and you cannot stop dhcp  (and have internet) so up to you. To modify you need to navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services, changing start from 2 to 4 disables.

 

The other x-box looks like the permissions are screwed (should not be access denied) locate it in the registry, right click select permissions "add" "everyone" and check the full control box.






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