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Mint Kills off the KDE edition (for those who may be using Mint KDE)


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#31 pcpunk

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 11:12 AM

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:37 PM

Hey pcpunk,

 

The only KDE Linux distro I tried was Kubuntu 14.04.

 

It was cool but just too much for me.

 

Any icons such as Firefox and a few others I placed on the desktop would move up and down until whichever I had ticked was opened.

 

I have no idea about any other KDE version of Linux as Kubuntu wasn't impressive to me.

 

Basic and Boring Rocks. :guitar: 

 

Functionality is what I find to be important not the Eye Candy which is great for those who enjoy that. :thumbup2:


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:53 PM

You are Awesome Rocky Bennett!!!

Us non KDE users ain't Awesome and Cool as the KDE users. :P


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:03 PM

The bouncing cursor can easily be turned off.

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One thing I miss when I use desktops other than KDE, are the Special Application Settings, that allow me to set specific applications to always open in specific positions on my desktop. I haven't come across this feature in any desktop other than KDE.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:01 PM

Hey pcpunk,

 

The only KDE Linux distro I tried was Kubuntu 14.04.

Give Mint KDE 17.3 a good try out.  The Lancelot Menu is the best coolest eye candy of a menu I've seen on a OOTB Desktop! but you have to add it from the Panel.  I'm quite sure you can do this on a Live Session.  The Default Menu is nice enough, but lancelot is super.  What you can't see in this pic below, is the little clear bubble that rides under your cursor when you are on top of a selection.

Here is a pick of MINE

 

HERE is a pic of a bunch of apps open in Mint KDE 17.1 which I still run on an old laptop.


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 05:30 AM

Al, thanks for stepping in and showing how the bouncing effect (or busy one) can be turned off. :)

 

As far as the demise of the Linux Mint KDE goes, well it speaks for itself, coming in at dead last or tied with LMDE (it's fallback option) only helped Clem to make a decision now. That would be to pour more cash into a sinkhole (Linux Mint doesn't have the budgets of Apple, Canonical nor Microsoft) which could be better used for it's mainstream editions that does have a growing user base. Note that when Microsoft (as well as some 3rd party developers) killed off Vista before EOL, hardly a word was spoken in rebuttal. At one time, Vista did serve a purpose, keeping Windows desktop usage above the 90% mark (over the rest) & justified support, once that no longer happened, was kicked to the curve, nearly a year before EOL. 

 

Same principle applies here, Linux Mint KDE is dead weight for the team to carry, no longer gaining user share (obviously is losing), the Mint brand will continue to climb the charts w/out KDE. Cinnamon has an endless target audience, MATE is also hanging tough, there's LMDE for Debian users, and finally Xfce for those who prefers a bare install where either a minimal DE is required, or the user wants to add what's only needed & skip what's not. 

 

Finally & to revisit the pouring of cash into a sinkhole, Mint depends on Ubuntu to deliver Kubuntu first, then add more bloat on top of that with their KDE version. Does the effort that requires both cash infusions & extra labor make good business sense? Of course not. Only if Mint can create their own in-house KDE that doesn't require waiting on Kubuntu to be passed to them, they can then (hopefully) justify the effort. That is, if there's a demand for KDE that's as strong as Cinnamon & MATE, of which there isn't. If that were the case, then there would be no need nor demand for Cinnamon. 

 

As I stated in my first post in this Topic, this is a business decision & not a personal one, so may as well move on & live with it. Clem isn't likely to change his mind, regardless of how strong the argument for keeping the venerable DE around that in a World of nearly thousands of distros, KDE has among the smallest user base of all. Google 'Top KDE distros' and there's only between 10-15 that pops up, which is far less than most of the rest. On the other hand, there's endless Xfce distros, and MATE has been adopted by more than KDE's combined user base. 

 

Those who likes Mint KDE may as well move on to Kubuntu & be done with it, from what I'm reading, the main reason why folks doesn't like this, it's either that, or a fear of getting out from under the safety of the Ubuntu umbrella (can't break away from .deb installers). Which is not a good reason to choose a DE, or distro for that matter, it was over a year after running Linux Mint when I discovered the distro was built on the back of Ubuntu. When one wants the real KDE, needs to be looking elsewhere, Kubuntu is simply a DE with Ubuntu's touches applied. That's all & no more. The pure KDE DE's are from other sources, with OpenSuse being one of the top choices, Google also has their version, as well as Canonical. :)

 

Speaking of business, KDE isn't 100% free, those who distributes the distros must pay to do so. Maybe Canonical wanted their 'fair share' from Clem & he gave them a middle finger! :lol:

 

 

 

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So out of 5 as of this year (2017), there's 4 KDE Patrons that's outside of the Canonical (Ubuntu) family. :)

 

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:56 AM

I tried to use Kubuntu, but the layout was not as good as Mint in my opinion.  So will plug on intill Mint KDE dies and then move on, simple as that.  I will visit the 18.xx Mint KDE and see if that will work for me.  I've also been wanting to learn Ubuntu.


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 10:13 AM

Eh with the switch to gnome shell I would not really use ubuntu until they actually make gnome into something nice.

If you are going to change your DE or distro I say Ubuntu MATE may be the better choice going forward.

Or if you wanted to stay with Mint go with its cinnamon offering, right now cinnamon is right on par if not better than the recent Plasma 5.

Cinnamon has made a lot of progress.

The only other one i could suggest for KDE is Manjaro as even though its not ubuntu it has a very solid KDE user experience.

That is if you want to stay in the Ubuntu family, then Maui


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 05:20 AM

Eh with the switch to gnome shell I would not really use ubuntu until they actually make gnome into something nice.

If you are going to change your DE or distro I say Ubuntu MATE may be the better choice going forward.

Or if you wanted to stay with Mint go with its cinnamon offering, right now cinnamon is right on par if not better than the recent Plasma 5.

Cinnamon has made a lot of progress.

The only other one i could suggest for KDE is Manjaro as even though its not ubuntu it has a very solid KDE user experience.

That is if you want to stay in the Ubuntu family, then Maui

 

+1! :thumbup2:

 

If one's into KDE for the eye candy alone, then Mint Cinnamon should please many, lots of progress made over the last two LTS releases. :)

 

 

The only other one i could suggest for KDE is Manjaro as even though its not ubuntu it has a very solid KDE user experience.

That is if you want to stay in the Ubuntu family, then Maui

 

Therein lies the issue, many doesn't want to go to a pure (closer to home) KDE distro because that would mean a slight (two week :P) learning curve that's too bitter of a pill to swallow. Being hooked on .deb installers & easy methods of adding PPA's, most would give up KDE altogether before getting out from under the safety of Ubuntu, making Cinnamon looking to be a better choice after all. :)

 

My guess is that at least 80% of those who'll eventually have no choice other than to leave Mint KDE behind & doesn't like Kubuntu will end up running Mint Cinnamon or MATE (Mint or Ubuntu). :thumbup2:

 

All of those asking Clem to keep Mint KDE are wasting their keystrokes, as soon as he sees the subject line in an email, hits the trash bin. In his couple of blogs that I've read, Clem has held firm to to his decision, if he were to back down now, would be viewed as a weak leader. Having the World's 4th leading desktop OS, there's no room for weakness to be on display, not when he has a legit shot at surpassing iOS usage at some point. Come EOL of both Windows 7 & 8.1, Cinnamon will only grow more & would be in contention for a move up to #3 (as would Ubuntu to #2). Not too shabby for one who got into this just 11 years back. :thumbsup:

 

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