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Mint Kills off the KDE edition (for those who may be using Mint KDE)


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#16 The-Toolman

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 05:56 PM

Hey NickAu,

 

Wow that's a lot of Distros.


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Posted 01 November 2017 - 08:15 PM

This is a lot of Distros. Click image to enlarge it.

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 09:03 PM

I like that this Thread has grown some legs, but it's sad that this is going to happen.  I still love Mint KDE 17.xx more than any other I've tried!  I have two Installs and may install it again soon.  I now have a decent Quad Core Desktop that would run it well, but space is at a premium for me, so it likely won't see to much Run Time, and the fact that I'm working on Windowz stuff more lately.


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Posted 02 November 2017 - 03:08 AM

I guess if Debian ever goes away we will all be done.


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Posted 02 November 2017 - 04:11 AM

This is a lot of Distros. Click image to enlarge it.

 

 

Nick, thanks for the reminder, many doesn't realize that if there were no Debian, then there would be no Ubuntu, nor the distros based from it in your first graph in Post #14. :)

 

That would have left most all who wants to run Linux on harder to learn distros, Debian made it easy. If I could only get past the formatting point on a real drive (running dual boot, it's necessary), could be up & running LMDE or Debian out of the box. That was one of the great things that Ubuntu done to make the install far less painless, only once have I used the automated installer. Prior to my first use of Mint, has lots of practice with partitioning when distro hopping, so was prepared. :thumbup2:

 

 

 

Ubuntu 1 distro to rule them all.

 

No, that would be a violation of the principle of Linux, freedom of distro for all has always been a major principle. Plus Linux Mint gained a massive following after Ubuntu's (finally admitted) out of control beast called Unity. Prior to that, the main Ubuntu & Mint  distros were very similar, both had a similar Start Menu, only the Ubuntu one was from the top of the screen & Mint at the left corner. The major differences were graphical, the wallpapers, artwork, this was prior to Cinnamon (and MATE, in house Linux Mint creations). While both has been applied to other distros, including Ubuntu, it's just not the same as Mint. Although I believe the folks at Ubuntu MATE done a great job from Day One or release, had a consumer hardware deal inked just over a year post release (faster than both Ubuntu & Mint), and before becoming an official flavor under the Canonical umbrella. :)

 

It's kind of hard to say that Ubuntu is the ruler of all when the distro was based from Debian years back, although that may not be totally the case today. I suspect that Ubuntu still gets some parts of it's base from Debian when there's a need. 

 

I also feel that Linux Mint is doing the right thing by having the LMDE distro in their stable, especially given how Canonical has cuddled with Microsoft in the last couple years. Everyone has a price tag & that includes Mark Shuttleworth. While there's a lot of speculation that if he sold the rights of Ubuntu to Microsoft that it would be forked in seconds, possibly by an existing large distro, that's not cast into stone. Because some distros (example, Red Hat) are licensed, not free software for everyone to use. 

 

As far as KDE goes, if one truly loves the distro in it's purest form, it's best to get as close as possible to the original source. The eye candy will still be there, yet less bloat from being passed down half a dozen times, as is with both Kubuntu & Mint KDE before release. Plus will have faster access to the latest KDE, by the time Linux Mint gets it & adds their touches, at a minimum, there's likely a newer KDE release closer to home in beta/Preview testing. :)

 

Of course, there'll always be many who won't desire to depart from the Debian branch, where software can be installed using .deb installers instead of .rpm or whatever the KDE sources closer to home uses. That alone (plus other learning curves) will keep many with Kubuntu or another distro based upon Ubuntu. Fortunately for me, I never could get into KDE, although once did when running PCLinuxOS while looking for a home. Back in late 2008/early 2009, PCLinuxOS had only a KDE release & had it not been for my flaky ISP, may had stuck with the distro. For being a dedicated Linux community over their distro, they were the greatest folks of any that I've ever ran, unlike most of the rest, they welcomed newbies with open arms. :)

 

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 08:27 PM

@ NickAu

 

I am running both Maui Linux & KDE Neon in Virtualbox. :thumbup2:  And Muon doesn't seem to work the same in Maui like it does in Kubuntu.



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Posted 06 November 2017 - 08:06 AM

Maui uses synaptic so no issue for me.

Muon in 16.04 really is nonexistent.


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Posted 06 November 2017 - 09:57 PM

 

Muon doesn't seem to work the same in Maui like it does in Kubuntu.

Thanks for letting us know,



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Posted 07 November 2017 - 12:01 AM

For those interested in Maui it does come with synaptic so it does make up for it a little.

But Muon in 16.04 was a total mess.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:47 AM

I have a hunch that Linux Mint KDE version will become sorely missed when EOL is reached, although Mint 18 is supported until April 2021, so most likely all except LMDE falls under this rule.

 

Therefore, there's no reason for Mint KDE users to rush, try a few out, including those outside of the Ubuntu umbrella, and choose the most suitable version (oie that's simple to run & update) )out of the lot. :)

 

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 09:39 AM

KDE Is magical!


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 06:45 AM

KDE Is magical!

 

Maybe for those who prefers the DE, I'll take performance over eye candy on any day! :thumbsup:

 

Plus the added bouncing effects were driving me nuts! Note that the PCLinuxOS version didn't have that effect when I last ran it, so may vary one outside of the Ubuntu umbrella. Add to that, Ubuntu releases Kubuntu months after those who are closer to KDE's home base, and Linux MInt KDE takes even longer. By the time Mint users gets the 'latest' KDE, the real one has likely been released elsewhere, or in Preview status. 

 

Also, some packages that would easily install on MATE, wouldn't on Mint KDE, missing dependencies were reported when attempting install. 

 

If Mint KDE were that great & had a real following, then Clem (the Mint founder, lead developer & whom calls the shots) wouldn't be dropping the DE, a hard decision considering it was their first ever distro. It's kind of hard to justify the upkeep of a distro when there are two far more popular ones (Cinnamon & MATE). has LMDE as a fallback option, which I'm tempted to install on one computer. Finally Xfce, another unpopular that's likely to get the next kiss of death. Mainly because MATE uses hardly any more resources & a fully featured OS on just a slightly larger ISO. Considering that, why run a stripped down OS when one can have it all, even on legacy hardware? Out of all of the Linux Mint installs I've performed for others, most all (over 200) were MATE, more recently Cinnamon has been the top choice, and in all of my time of performing Linux installs, can count the number of Xfce ones with one hand (5 at most). Was once asked to install KDE after comparing to Cinnamon in Live mode, then the very next day, she called back & asked for Cinnamon. :)

 

Here are 9 top KDE distros for 2017, with #1 not being related to Ubuntu, 7 outside of it's base.

 

https://www.cio.com/article/2903136/the-9-best-distros-for-kdes-plasma-desktop.html#slide2

 

Plus a few more here. Since Mint KDE is headed for EOL, shouldn't be considered on either (wasn't listed as heading in that direction at time of publishing), best to search for higher ground now, before forced to make a switch.

 

https://www.slant.co/topics/6251/~linux-distributions-for-kde-plasma-5

 

So there's lots of choices for KDE users, these are just a few popular ones & will end this post with yet another KDE discussion, just click to load more comments. :)

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/636n4y/best_kde_desktop_experience_distro/#bottom-comments

 

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:21 AM

 

KDE Is magical!

 

Maybe for those who prefers the DE, I'll take performance over eye candy on any day! :thumbsup:

 

Plus the added bouncing effects were driving me nuts!

 

 Finally Xfce, another unpopular that's likely to get the next kiss of death. Mainly because MATE uses hardly any more resources & a fully featured OS on just a slightly larger ISO. Considering that, why run a stripped down OS when one can have it all, even on legacy hardware?

 

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I agree about performance over eye candy any day. :thumbup2:

 

I agree the bouncing effects suck. :thumbup2:

 

I disagree with you about Xfce being the next to get the axe.

 

Not everyone wants a software packed Linux distro with software that will never be used "Bloat" imo.

 

I want to install the software I need and use and want no more I also don't really care about all of the extra configuration features that are included in the mainstream Linux distros.

 

All that needs to be is the bare basic minimum software to get a user up and running and then the user can install what the user wants and not what the developers think I want.

 

One of the main reasons I like Lubuntu is it's simple and clean and works OOTB and software can be added as needed. :thumbup2:

 

I'm old Simple and Boring is Still OK in my world. :thumbsup:

 

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Edited by The-Toolman, 08 November 2017 - 08:30 AM.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:15 AM

Yes I admit there is a performance hit but if one is running a reasonably powerful pc it's worth it IMO.

 

I still have problems with every Mate 18 install I've done with the File Manager getting stuck in the Panel, so Unfortunately, that rules out what I hoped was going to be my next standard for a linux desktop.  These were all Laptops, and as Toolman pointed out, most his installs were Desktops, so I will need to test this out also.  What really bothers me, is there seems to be no answer to this?  This can be discussed in Toolman't Mate 18 Thread if someone has an answer.

 

"Mint Kills off the KDE edition"

 

 

Plus the added bouncing effects were driving me nuts! 
I agree the bouncing effects suck.  :thumbup2:

Never seen this on any Modern Mint KDE since KDE-13, and can be quickly turned off on any of the other distro's quickly...Ha! lol

 

Can't you see in my Signature "KDE, Ruler of all Distro's" haha!

 

Either way, I'm going to proudly install Mint KDE 17.xx soon on one of my Windows 10 Desktops, as it runs quite well on an old Q9400 with 8GB of RAM.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:35 AM

I love KDE and for that reason I am now using openSuse Tumbleweed.


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