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#1 Joe_25

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 05:50 AM

Hooe this is not a stupid question ,forgive me if it is .....but at a bit of a loss......
! Downloaded Core Temp it goes up and down in idle from 44 c to 72 cand back to 50c
If i check for windows updates it goes up to 105c.then goes down again same with opening firefox.
Is there any services i can disable safely to help this Once it retuns to idle it stays around 44c-50c
After it recently went up to 105c when checking updates and reboot and then check Bios it was 67 my AMD Athlon Max is 65 ,any ideas to help? i would be very grateful.I did have some good advice to download miniToolBox but i cant find where the report was saved ,if at all!Also Firefox can be around 653,360k which seems High ?
BTW could it help if i unistalled the NVIDIA Drivers as i don't use any Gaming

Edited by Joe_25, 17 September 2017 - 12:21 PM.
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Posted 17 September 2017 - 01:46 PM

check your cpu heatsink is still seated properly??? is the fan on the heatsink running?  noway it should be 105C  that is shutdown territory.

 

i have a crappy heatsink on my cpu (mobile)  idles at around 50C and maxes out at about 80 on full load.  also check your cpu usage with windows task manager....



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Posted 17 September 2017 - 02:37 PM

Hi adamsleath thank you for your time in replying
The fan on the heatsink was running before i put it all back together but i will re-check it again,good idea.
I will look into the Windows usage in Taskmaster too.It is revving up and down a lot ,but seems to return to
more normal values ,so its notalways constantly at thehigh temp.
Much appreciated to you fort the help.

Edited by Joe_25, 17 September 2017 - 02:38 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 05:54 PM

what cpu you have?  older dual cores are getting a bit long in the tooth these days, can really tax the cpu usage....

 

might be helpful to see your computer specs.

 

are you running any real time virus scanners they can be really cpu taxing (and annoying)  is it a recent development this problem?  maybe some malware?  do you have a restore point in windows back to a time when the problem didnt exist?

i have used windows restore points many times to get rid of malware.

 

disabling processes or uninstalling unnecessary programs isnt a bad idea.   dont uninstall video drivers..


Edited by adamsleath, 17 September 2017 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2017 - 12:23 PM

Here is my Specs( i am not sure if my CPU is really old?)

http://speccy.piriform.com/results/N7hqQsxyv57FYa1aRf0El4X

 

I am running Avast and funny enough i used SuperAntiSpyware and found 1111 adware cookies which i have removed

I usually have about 3-10 after a scan like that so that was suprising!

 

It is a fairly recent event too.I did do a restore when i had the cannot initiate the Xcom Error which didn't help from trying to open firefox but got all back to normal by uninstalling many programs not used very often and re installing Firefox Error and made it all better ...but not the CPU Spiking and returning to normal temperatures .

In Taskmaster Explorer.exe runs in the background all the time at about 15000k while Firefox is 350000k.And CPU Idle in Taskmaster  is 91.

I don't do any gaming and have NVIDIA which i am not sure if i really need,is this my drivers?Do i really need them and do they cause high CPU temp?Athough i see in Speccy they are stopped in services.

I have also downloaded  MSI Afterburner but don't know if it does anything on my AMD Athlon 64 3000+Venice as it has no way of connecting to fan  and only shows Core clock 450  and Memory clock 526 , but i don't understand if this is much good to my situation?

Well i hope you can help out with what is going on to cause this.

Thanks again.


Edited by Joe_25, 18 September 2017 - 12:57 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 08:32 AM

The report for the MiniToolBox...is wherever you decide to save it.  I usually just save to my Desktop.
 
Please download MiniToolBox  , save it to your desktop and run it.
 
Checkmark the following checkboxes:
  List last 10 Event Viewer log
  List Installed Programs
  List Users, Partitions and Memory size.
 
Click Go and paste the content into your next post.
 
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Posted 19 September 2017 - 09:33 AM

Hi Louis
thank you for your help
I will try again the MiniToolBox again as last time i tried it after i checked all the boxes you mentioned it then just dissapears
without the option to save anything ,but i will try again later as the PC is off to cool down for a while now.
Much appreciated to you.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 09:43 AM

You don't have to save anything...just follow the directions provided and copy/paste the report content into your next post.

 

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 11:04 AM

Thank-you Louis

    i found it in MTB File report now.........

Here it is!

 

MiniToolBox by Farbar  Version: 17-06-2016
Ran by A1 (administrator) on 19-09-2017 at 16:56:42
Running from "C:\Users\A1\Downloads"
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional   (X64)
Model: AWRDACPI Manufacturer: RD480_

Boot Mode: Normal
***************************************************************************

========================= Event log errors: ===============================

Application errors:
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Error: (09/19/2017 11:43:34 AM) (Source: PerfNet) (User: )
Description:

Error: (09/19/2017 11:43:34 AM) (Source: PerfNet) (User: )
Description:

Error: (09/19/2017 11:37:35 AM) (Source: PerfNet) (User: )
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Error: (09/19/2017 11:37:35 AM) (Source: PerfNet) (User: )
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Error: (09/19/2017 11:35:26 AM) (Source: PerfNet) (User: )
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Error: (09/19/2017 11:35:26 AM) (Source: PerfNet) (User: )
Description:

Error: (09/18/2017 06:59:42 PM) (Source: SideBySide) (User: )
Description: Activation context generation failed for "C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7601.18837_none_fa3b1e3d17594757.manifest1".Error in manifest or policy file "C:\Win dows \WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7601.18837_ none_fa3b1 e3d1 75 94757.man ifest2" on line C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b6 4144ccf1df_6.0.7601.18837_none_fa3b1e3d17594757.manifest3.  A component version required by the application conflicts with another component version already active.
Conflicting components are:.Component 1: C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls _6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7601.18837_none_fa3b1e3d17594757.manifest.
Component 2: C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.760 1.18837_none_41e855142bd5705d.manifest.

Error: (09/18/2017 06:59:39 PM) (Source: SideBySide) (User: )
Description: Activation context generation failed for "C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7601.18837_none_fa3b1e3d17594757.manifest1".Error in manifest or policy file "C:\Wind ows\WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7601.18837_ none_fa3b1e3 d17594757.manifest2" on line C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64 144ccf1df_6.0.7601.18837_none_fa3b1e3d17594757.manifest3.
A component version required by the application conflicts with another component version already active.Conflicting components are:.
Component 1: C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7 601.18837_none_fa3b1e3d17594757.manifest.
Component 2: C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7601. 18837_n one_41e855142bd5705d.manifest.

Error: (09/18/2017 06:53:22 PM) (Source: PerfNet) (User: )
Description:

Error: (09/18/2017 06:53:22 PM) (Source: PerfNet) (User: )
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System errors:
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Error: (09/19/2017 04:41:51 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The Superfetch service terminated with the following error: %%2 = The system cannot find the file specified.

Error: (09/19/2017 04:41:00 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The following boot-start or system-start driver(s) failed to load:  cdrom

Error: (09/19/2017 01:07:34 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The Superfetch service terminated with the following error:  %%2 = The system cannot find the file specified.

Error: (09/19/2017 01:06:35 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The following boot-start or system-start driver(s) failed to load:  cdrom

Error: (09/19/2017 12:58:40 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The Superfetch service terminated with the following error:  %%2 = The system cannot find the file specified.

Error: (09/19/2017 12:57:49 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The following boot-start or system-start driver(s) failed to load:  cdrom

Error: (09/19/2017 12:54:31 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The Windows Update service did not shut down properly after receiving a preshutdown control.

Error: (09/19/2017 10:58:07 AM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The aswbIDSAgent service failed to start due to the following error:  %%1053 = The service did not respond to the start or control request in a timely fashion.

Error: (09/19/2017 10:58:07 AM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: A timeout was reached (30000 milliseconds) while waiting for the aswbIDSAgent service to connect.

Error: (09/19/2017 10:57:35 AM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The Superfetch service terminated with the following error: %%2 = The system cannot find the file specified.

Microsoft Office Sessions:
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Error: (09/19/2017 11:43:34 AM) (Source: PerfNet)(User: )
Description:

Error: (09/19/2017 11:43:34 AM) (Source: PerfNet)(User: )
Description:

Error: (09/19/2017 11:37:35 AM) (Source: PerfNet)(User: )
Description:

Error: (09/19/2017 11:37:35 AM) (Source: PerfNet)(User: )
Description:

Error: (09/19/2017 11:35:26 AM) (Source: PerfNet)(User: )
Description:

Error: (09/19/2017 11:35:26 AM) (Source: PerfNet)(User: )
Description:

Error: (09/18/2017 06:59:42 PM) (Source: SideBySide)(User: )
Description: C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6. 0.7601.18837_none_fa3b1e3d17594757.manifestC:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7601.18837_none_41e855142bd5705d.manifestC:\Users\A1\Downloads\esetsmartinstaller_enu(1).exe

Error: (09/18/2017 06:59:39 PM) (Source: SideBySide)(User: )
Description: C:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7601 .18837_none_fa3b1e3d17594757.manifestC:\Windows\WinSxS\manifests\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7601.18837_none_41e855142bd5705d.manifestC:\Users\A1\Downloads\esetsmartinstaller_enu(1).exe

Error: (09/18/2017 06:53:22 PM) (Source: PerfNet)(User: )
Description:

Error: (09/18/2017 06:53:22 PM) (Source: PerfNet)(User: )
Description:

=========================== Installed Programs ============================
AntiLogger Free version 1.8.2.320 (HKLM-x32\...\{A80DB23D-0618-405B-89D9-28F99814E287}_is1) (Version: 1.8.2.320 - Zemana Ltd.)
Avast Free Antivirus (HKLM-x32\...\Avast Antivirus) (Version: 17.6.2310 - AVAST Software)
BCWipe 3.0 (HKLM-x32\...\BCWipe) (Version:  - )
Canon MP460 (HKLM\...\{1199FAD5-9546-44f3-81CF-FFDB8040B7BF}_Canon_MP460) (Version:  - )
Core Temp 1.10.2 (HKLM\...\{086D343F-8E78-4AFC-81AC-D6D414AFD8AC}_is1) (Version: 1.10.2 - ALCPU)
ESET Online Scanner v3 (HKLM-x32\...\ESET Online Scanner) (Version:  - )
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.2 (HKLM\...\{92FB6C44-E685-45AD-9B20-CADF4CABA132} - 1033) (Version: 4.5.51209 - Microsoft Corporation)
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Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 Redistributable (x86) - 14.0.24215 (HKLM-x32\...\{e2803110-78b3-4664-a479-3611a381656a}) (Version: 14.0.24215.1 - Microsoft Corporation)
Mozilla Firefox 55.0.3 (x64 en-US) (HKLM\...\Mozilla Firefox 55.0.3 (x64 en-US)) (Version: 55.0.3 - Mozilla)
Mozilla Maintenance Service (HKLM\...\MozillaMaintenanceService) (Version: 55.0.3 - Mozilla)
MSI Afterburner 4.3.0 (HKLM-x32\...\Afterburner) (Version: 4.3.0 - MSI Co., LTD)
NVIDIA Graphics Driver 309.08 (HKLM\...\{B2FE1952-0186-46C3-BAEC-A80AA35AC5B8}_Display.Driver) (Version: 309.08 - NVIDIA Corporation)
NVIDIA Update 1.10.8 (HKLM\...\{B2FE1952-0186-46C3-BAEC-A80AA35AC5B8}_Display.Update) (Version: 1.10.8 - NVIDIA Corporation)
Realtek High Definition Audio Driver (HKLM-x32\...\{F132AF7F-7BCA-4EDE-8A7C-958108FE7DBC}) (Version: 6.0.1.7667 - Realtek Semiconductor Corp.)
Revo Uninstaller 1.95 (HKLM-x32\...\Revo Uninstaller) (Version: 1.95 - VS Revo Group)
RivaTuner Statistics Server 6.5.0 (HKLM-x32\...\RTSS) (Version: 6.5.0 - Unwinder)
SafeZone Stable 4.58.2552.909 (HKLM-x32\...\SafeZone 4.58.2552.909) (Version: 4.58.2552.909 - Avast Software) Hidden
Samsung USB Driver for Mobile Phones (HKLM\...\{D0795B21-0CDA-4a92-AB9E-6E92D8111E44}) (Version: 1.5.55.0 - Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.)
Speccy (HKLM\...\Speccy) (Version: 1.31 - Piriform)
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VLC media player (HKLM\...\VLC media player) (Version: 2.2.6 - VideoLAN)
Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin (HKLM-x32\...\{69FDFBB6-351D-4B8C-89D8-867DC9D0A2A4}) (Version: 1.0.0.8 - Microsoft Corp)

========================= Memory info: ===================================
Percentage of memory in use: 50%
Total physical RAM: 2558.55 MB
Available physical RAM: 1265.06 MB
Total Virtual: 5115.32 MB
Available Virtual: 3737.92 MB

========================= Partitions: =====================================
2 Drive c: (New Volume) (Fixed) (Total:298.09 GB) (Free:214.62 GB) NTFS

========================= Users: ========================================
User accounts for \\

A1                       Administrator            Guest                    
UpdatusUser              


**** End of log ****

 

*SPECCY is in my previous post: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/N7hqQsxyv57FYa1aRf0El4X

 

Regards


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 02:09 PM

I had one of these processors years ago.

 

Windows install dated Jan 2005.

 

I'd say that it's highly likely that the thermal paste needs to be replaced, since it seems likely that such has never been done on a CPU that lacks the benefit of heatsink/fan combinations since 2005 or before.

 

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 03:25 PM

I had one of these processors years ago.
 
Windows install dated Jan 2005.
 
I'd say that it's highly likely that the thermal paste needs to be replaced, since it seems likely that such has never been done on a CPU that lacks the benefit of heatsink/fan combinations since 2005 or before.
 
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Thank you for your advice ,I replaced the Thermal Paste 5 days ago i cleaned the CPU and Heatsink with rubbing alcohol and put a pea size blob in the middle of the Heat sink and put all back together maybe i should give it another go but is behaving the same as before i put the paste on,but it may well be that the CPU is failing not sure what else to do at this point?
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Posted 19 September 2017 - 04:46 PM

Well...if the temps reported now...are consistent with what you experienced in the past...I would not worry about those.  From what I see, that systems has provided more than 12 years of service...you can go for 13 or more...but I can buy $100 refurbished systems that have more recent, non-problematical, faster components and to me...that's an indication that it may be time to move on with a replacement.  See Examples.

 

Me?  I would think about not trying to get more mileage out of that system.  I'm not an "enthusiast" of any sort and I don't game...but when available technology reaches a price point that I can't refuse...I buy newer components for my systems or buy newer systems.

 

Bottom line is...your title is about "high CPU" and that should be expected with a processor which is 12 or so years old and uses PC3200 RAM.

 

You say that did a "restore"...just what did you do?  What started all this fiddling with the system in the first place?

 

You also indicate that your efforts found malware.  I know that most of us like to believe that Malwarebytes and other programs...allow us to neutralize/defeat all forms of malware...but it just is not so.  My suggestion would be..at least initiate a new topic in the Am I Infected forum...satisfy yourself that you don't have a malware problem...and then do a clean install.

 

I do not think these steps will have any impact at all on CPU usage or possible overheating...but I've been wrong before :).

 

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 05:59 PM

Hi again ,that is very good advice you have given me and thanks for taking the time too

to go into all the details from your experience ,i agree that it is time to move on and thanks for the link ,i never really thought of

a refurbishment before but looks a great idea .As i am not a gamer either!

The restore point was to do with after i had tried to uninstall firefox some programmes i had to use IE 8 for this i tried to downloaded fresh installation of firefox to make my system a bit lighter and each download wanted to be opened in Notepad or internet explorer or windows essentials but not in the normal system place which was very odd!
Also when i re-installed firefox etc ,when i tried to open firefox it would not respond all i would get was" failure to initiate Xcom "and would not open ,once i did the restore and reinstalled firefox again it opened ok and everything else was back to normal!
I suppose i like to get my moneys worth from all those years ago probably works out 1 cent a month in your money
I will dig deep in my pockets and it will be worth it for all the upgrades i will get.

You are doing a great job in helping people like myself on the forum you are a great asset to Bleeping Computer.
All the very best from another happy forum member.
Good Luck to you louis
Joe.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 06:43 PM

Thanks for the kind words...I just try to approach things from my perspective :).  That perspective began 21 years ago, when I was so afraid and undertain about computing and Windows...that I used to pay a shop to periodically reinstall it for me...because I thought that it was "too complicated" for me to ever understand and be comfortable with.

 

I feel that many users today feel the same way...and those fears can be dimished with an effort to provide information that may be useful from the perspective of a user who is overcome by all the opinions, documentation, changes, etc. that are a part of today's computing world.  I know that I've grown and I try to make it so for others to grow.  Sometimes I fail...once in a while, I succeed...but I enjoy trying be helpful :).

 

Happy computing :).

 

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 04:45 AM

Your Welcome
i am glad you have followed this Path which is very helpful in passing on your generous knowledge you've aquired
over the years .And the way you start out in your replies with the novice members is very helpful.
As ,like you say ,it can be overwhelming to the a new user of a PC .And i am sure you have helped a great deal in
helping others grow in their understading of the Computing World as i can see your help ,on the forum everyday .

Wishing you Happy Computing too
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