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Can't view some websites in Linux Mint 18.2...


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#1 RJNB

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 09:33 AM

Hello,

I am running Linux Mint 18.2 Xfce (32 bit) set up to dual boot with XP...I am using a broadband connection using PPPoE. As the title says, I can't connect to specific websites-Firefox sometimes gives me the error 'connection timed out' or gets stuck at 'performing a TLS handshake'...Have tried using other browsers such as Midori and Chromium.

 

However, Linux Mint 17.3 works perfectly fine and so does Debian 9...This isn't a problem in XP either.

 

The same issue occurs even in Live sessions of Linux Mint 18.x...

 

Although the information is scattered, one can find all the things that have been tried before in this thread: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/648088/browser-problems-in-linux-mint/

We had ruled out a browser issue in the topic mentioned above...Also, this is not likely to be a kernel issue as the 4.9 kernel works(Debian 9 has kernel 4.9) but 4.8 and 4.10 don't work(tried installing them using update manager in Mint 18.2)...So, this is most likely something to do with Mint itself/my installation/my network configuration...

 

Any help is appreciated!

 

Thanks

RJ


Edited by RJNB, 09 August 2017 - 09:38 AM.


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Posted 09 August 2017 - 09:59 AM

Hello RJNB,

 

I like Linux Mint 18 Sarah Xfce as I have found it for my old computers works well without any issues although I'm using a wired connection.

 

I have tried Linux Mint 18.2 and have found it to be problematic on my old computers.

 

If Linux Mint 17.3 and Debian works perfectly fine as you stated above I would stick with a sure thing and use one of them.

 

I use several old desktop computers all with different versions of Linux and all work well with minor issues only.

 

You may want to consider a lighter weight Linux Distro such as antix 16.2 which is designed to work with old computers although I have no idea of how it works if using a wireless connection.

 

AntiX 16.2 works very well on my 10 year old computers although a small learning curve you will master easily.

 

http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

 

This is only a suggestion as some Linux Distros just don't work on some computers.

As far as website timeouts those I tend to believe to be on the amount of traffic at the website server.

 

Just some thoughts.

 

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 10:46 AM

I wonder if 18.2 has some issue resolving the DNS servers. What happens if you use OpenDNS in the Mint Network settings.

 

https://support.opendns.com/hc/en-us/articles/228007167-Linux-Mint-Cinnamon



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 10:56 AM

Hello,

Thanks for the quick response!

Hello RJNB,

 

I like Linux Mint 18 Sarah Xfce as I have found it for my old computers works well without any issues although I'm using a wired connection.

 

I have tried Linux Mint 18.2 and have found it to be problematic on my old computers.

 

If Linux Mint 17.3 and Debian works perfectly fine as you stated above I would stick with a sure thing and use one of them.

 

I use several old desktop computers all with different versions of Linux and all work well with minor issues only.

 

You may want to consider a lighter weight Linux Distro such as antix 16.2 which is designed to work with old computers although I have no idea of how it works if using a wireless connection.

 

AntiX 16.2 works very well on my 10 year old computers although a small learning curve you will master easily.

 

http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

 

This is only a suggestion as some Linux Distros just don't work on some computers.

As far as website timeouts those I tend to believe to be on the amount of traffic at the website server.

 

Just some thoughts.

 

Toolman  :wink:

I doubt it has anything to do with heavy traffic as some websites, bleepingcomputer itself for instance, never load properly; not during daytime nor after it is dark. As for AntiX, will consider it, but will keep as the last option...

 

I wonder if 18.2 has some issue resolving the DNS servers. What happens if you use OpenDNS in the Mint Network settings.

 

https://support.opendns.com/hc/en-us/articles/228007167-Linux-Mint-Cinnamon

Not sure if DNS is the issue as I had tried entering 8.8.8.8  and 8.8.4.4 in the field provided for the same; yet, will try that and let you know!

 

Thanks!

RJ



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 11:06 AM

If you got the same result with Google DNS then I doubt my idea will work.

 

Edit: After changing your DNS servers make sure you flush the DNS cache.

 

http://www.2daygeek.com/flush-clear-dns-cache-on-ubuntu-centos-debian-fedora-mint-rhel-opensuse/#


Edited by JohnC_21, 09 August 2017 - 11:08 AM.


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Posted 10 August 2017 - 08:21 AM

Hello,

If you got the same result with Google DNS then I doubt my idea will work.

 

Edit: After changing your DNS servers make sure you flush the DNS cache.

 

http://www.2daygeek.com/flush-clear-dns-cache-on-ubuntu-centos-debian-fedora-mint-rhel-opensuse/#

I tried that... Unfortunately, it didn't work... :(

 

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 09:47 AM

I'm not sure it will work but see solved post by jackerbess. Possible resetting will work. If you are using Wifi and not LAN then delete your Wifi profile and create a new one.

 

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=203860



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Posted 11 August 2017 - 03:29 AM

Peppermint 8 is a lightweight distro that uses LXDE by default, although combined with a customized Xfce base. :)

 

https://peppermintos.com/

 

Release Notes:

 

https://peppermintos.com/release-notes/

 

It's important to select the proper distro for your hardware, while I prefer Linux Mint, and obviously so do you, nothing wrong with that, it's just that a full fledged Mint 18.2 will cause issues by kernel upgrades alone. These may in itself cause things to break fast, as newer ones ship regularly. You're now likely on Kernel 4.8 & 4.10 is upcoming, that's when your 18.2 install will likely disintegrate fast. :(

 

You may also wish to consider Mint 18 Xfce, which doesn't have as much software installed by default, although you can add fairly much anything that's on the MATE edition w/out issue. Just avoid kernel upgrades, unless the changelog shows medium to high urgency, which would likely include security upgrades along with the kernel itself. :)

 

Personally, I feel that you should had stuck with Mint 17.3 and resolve any existing issues (other than browsers, of which you have a Topic on), by opening another Topic to discuss these, which after installing Mint 13 LTS to make sure my computer was OK, I reinstalled. It'll be the latest Linux Mint installed on the now 14 year old notebook, once support ends, if the notebook is still running, will give to a diehard XP friend to add to his collection of those computers, to him, the more, the merrier. To each their own, is the way I see things & don't hold that decision against him, although he finally gave into my suggestion to use the latest Linux Mint distro for making transactions, of which I provide him with a DVD after every release. :)

 

Should you decide to ride out Mint 18.2, you're likely in for a very rocky ride, and as stated in your other Topic, websites (a browser related issue) are going to render worse over time. I rarely have any issues with connecting to Bleeping Computer, unless the site has an occasional overload, which hasn't taken place in quite some time. If it's not a network issue, then I suspect hardware or any updates you've applied. You can test this by booting into the install media, which has no added plugins & see if you can connect to the site with Firefox in a Live session, if successful, then you have some unneeded plugins, or chose too many Level 4 & 5 updates (not recommended unless needed). 

 

On this computer, you should follow Mint's conservative update policy (the middle option), which will provide security & software updates. In particular, some of the Level 4 updates can cause your computer to boot & run slow at the next reboot. :(

 

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 08:09 AM

Personally, I feel that you should had stuck with Mint 17.3...


I absolutely agree. Choices are often limited when it comes to installing operating systems on older hardware.

The easiest, and most logical thing to do in my opinion, is stick to the distros that work adequately on the hardware in question, and avoid the ones that do not.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:37 AM

 

Personally, I feel that you should had stuck with Mint 17.3...


I absolutely agree. Choices are often limited when it comes to installing operating systems on older hardware.

The easiest, and most logical thing to do in my opinion, is stick to the distros that work adequately on the hardware in question, and avoid the ones that do not.

 

As stated by the OP in post #1 "Linux Mint 17.3 and Debian works perfectly fine" choose and use.


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 04:13 AM

Hello,

 

 

 

Personally, I feel that you should had stuck with Mint 17.3...


I absolutely agree. Choices are often limited when it comes to installing operating systems on older hardware.

The easiest, and most logical thing to do in my opinion, is stick to the distros that work adequately on the hardware in question, and avoid the ones that do not.

 

As stated by the OP in post #1 "Linux Mint 17.3 and Debian works perfectly fine" choose and use.

 

I agree that I should have checked my network connectivity before installation and gone with 17.3 instead...Probably going back to 17.3 is the easiest way...

 

 

Peppermint 8 is a lightweight distro that uses LXDE by default, although combined with a customized Xfce base. :)

 

https://peppermintos.com/

 

Release Notes:

 

https://peppermintos.com/release-notes/

 

It's important to select the proper distro for your hardware, while I prefer Linux Mint, and obviously so do you, nothing wrong with that, it's just that a full fledged Mint 18.2 will cause issues by kernel upgrades alone. These may in itself cause things to break fast, as newer ones ship regularly. You're now likely on Kernel 4.8 & 4.10 is upcoming, that's when your 18.2 install will likely disintegrate fast. :(

Will try peppermint too...By the way, does anyone know how long Peppermint 8 is expected to be supported? Couldn't find anything related to that anywhere...

 

Thanks

RJ


Edited by RJNB, 12 August 2017 - 04:16 AM.


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 04:49 AM

Peppermint has been around for some years, started in the North Carolina Mountains (my home state), although has now moved to the EU area. :)

 

They have a loyal user base, just as many other distros, it's current leader was once an active member here (PCNetSpec), don't know what happened with that & don't care to speculate, other than he has his own forum for the distro. Peppermint isn't going anywhere time soon, click through some of the links that I provided earlier, and you'll find more, such as this one, which shows that the distro was founded in 2010. 

 

https://peppermintos.com/2017/05/peppermint-8-released/

 

It's certainly worth a shot on your & anyone's computer who is interested in a Linux transition, and I suspect come early 2020, many of the masses who stated a huge NO to sleazy, backdoor tactics by Microsoft to cram Windows 10 down their throats will be looking at alternative OS's. In particular, those easy to jump into & established, there's several great choices. The first being Linux Mint, although derived from Ubuntu, has gained a lot of popularity since 2011, in large part to Ubuntu's former 'modern' UI in Unity, which they've recently stated will end with Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, although 16.04 LTS will still be supported through April 2021. 

 

That stated, your best shot (if not interested in sticking with Mint 17.3 or Debian), is a lightweight distro & Peppermint offers that, as well as Mint 17.3 Xfce. Of course, there's no shortage of Xfce based distros to choose from, try as many as you desire.

 

Hopefully you'll settle on a OS soon, which will be a major step forward in your Linux progress as a whole & you can begin to learn more. It took several distros in late 2008/early 2009 until I discovered Mint & fell in love at first sight, has been my default Linux distro & most used OS since. :)

 

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:30 AM

 

Will try peppermint too...By the way, does anyone know how long Peppermint 8 is expected to be supported? Couldn't find anything related to that anywhere...

 

Thanks

RJ

Hey RJNB,

 

Peppermint 8 is support until 2021 it is Ubuntu 16.04 based so it may also have the same issues as the other Linux distros you have experienced trouble with.


Edited by The-Toolman, 12 August 2017 - 08:31 AM.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 09:40 AM

Hello,

 

 

Will try peppermint too...By the way, does anyone know how long Peppermint 8 is expected to be supported? Couldn't find anything related to that anywhere...

 

Thanks

RJ

Hey RJNB,

 

Peppermint 8 is support until 2021 it is Ubuntu 16.04 based so it may also have the same issues as the other Linux distros you have experienced trouble with.

 

Yes, peppermint 8 indeed has the same issue- problems loading certain websites...Will be trying AntiX next...

Meanwhile,suggestions regarding any other distros that might be worth trying as well as anything related to this issue are welcome.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 04:20 AM

RJ, you may want to try Linux Mint 17.3 Xfce, will be light on your system, you can add apps as needed, plus will use the least amount of space (by default) on your drive. :)

 

https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=213

 

The Xfce editions based on Ubuntu 14.04 are going to be your best shot, unless you desire to learn Puppy, which I doubt is the case. :)

 

What browser are you using that's giving so much trouble? The inbuilt Firefox should be working fine, unless you load up the extensions too much. NoScript & Adblock Plus are good to have, you'll just have to toggle any trusted sites with the NoScript control at right bottom of the screen. It's arguably the most powerful security extension of any browser & Firefox should be the most compatible with 32 bit Linux Mint at this time. 

 

I believe if you'll give the basics a shot, you'll be better off than trying to force potentially incompatible 32 bit browsers to work. Things has changed a lot over the last few months & more on the way (for the worse when it comes to 32 bit OS's, browsers & software in general). There is Vivaldi, if you want an up to date Chrome-like browser.

 

https://vivaldi.com/download/?lang=en_US

 

You can also try Slimjet, although on my end (am on W10 as of this post), XP & Vista has to use the older version, may be the same for 32 bit Linux, so Vivaldi above may be your best bet if you don't care for Firefox at the moment. Although in the future, you may have no alternative, updated versions of 3rd party browsers aren't guaranteed. Hopefully Firefox will keep their 32 bit browser up to date, as long as both Ubuntu 14.04 & 16.04 are supported. On the other side, look at it like this, IE11 (default browser for W7 & 8.1) is the end of the line, just as IE9 was for Vista & IE8 for XP. Linux is no different in that regard, if Mozilla doesn't want to ship newer releases of Firefox 32 bit, they're not obligated to, so enjoy the ride while you can. :)

 

http://www.slimjet.com/

 

Good Luck! :thumbup2:

 

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