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Unable to boot into any Linux distro from live USB


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#1 Chonsy

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:48 PM

Hi everyone, my first post in this forum, so... pleased to meet you all! There are definitely some geniuses here, so I'm pretty hopeful you guys can help me out!

Background:
- Was trying to install 'TAILS distro 3.0.1 amd64' from Windows 7 OS environment
- Created live USB using latest 'Universal USB installer 1.9.7.8'. Drives were formatted to Fat32 with device default settings before using the USB installer.
- Mobo is legacy BIOS, no UEFI or EFI. Settings used in 'Universal USB installer 1.9.7.8': distribution: Tails, ISO: 'tails-amd64-3.0.1.iso', formatted: Fat32.
- Only TAILS live USB was inserted into the USB 2.0 interface on the direct motherboard sockets.
- System hangs on "Loading operating system...", cursor blinks no progress after 6 hrs.
- Have previously installed Backtrack and Ubuntu on this system about 6-7 years ago.

Further Tests:
- Tested the same TAILS live USB on two additional PC's and was able to get into live mode.
- Created three more TAILS live USB's using different two other USB drives and an SD card with USB converter, got the same result each time (also tested these on two other PCs and they all booted).
- Made a Windows 7 USB installed using Windows USB/DVD Download Tool, was able to boot into windows installer on the PC that wouldn't boot TAILS (find it quite strange that a Windows live USB will boot but nothing using Linux framework).
- Made live USB's of Ubuntu, Porteus, DBAN and Parted Magic. All live USB's caused system to hang on "Loading operating system..." (All of which open on my other two PC's).
- Reflashed BIOS to current version (Mobo: ga-790fxta-ud5 , version. F2), same problems and successes. Tried this twice.
- Tried using all the other USB sockets with the same result.
- Discharged static (unplugged PC, held down power button for 30s).
- Tried various other live USB creators: Rufus 2.16 portable, UNetBootin-windows-655 (still caused hang on "Loading operating system...").
- Tried unplugging SSD & HDD's and booting from live USB, no success.

Additional
- Currently running Windows 7 on problem PC in question hosted on SSD with two non-OS HDDs.
- BIOS was configured to boot from USB not the HDD, when booting from the HDD, Windows 7 boots
- Everything was the same when booting the Windows live USB i.e. same boot device selected, same USB port tried. Only difference being that the Windows Live USB tool was used to create the bootable USB.
- Two Linux distros have been installed on this PC before using the same BIOS version.
- The reason I'm posting here is because this is clearly a problem for Linux distros on my PC rather than TAILS specific.
- Superfluous information: PC posts, keyboard lights flash, no BIOS settings preventing.
- Somebody else had a similar sounding problem on this forum: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/stuck-on-loading-operating-system-message-when-booting-any-linux-distro-4175564038/ However, they were able to boot into live USB's, just not able to install linux distro's onto their HDD's.

Hardware:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 B50
Mobo: GA-790FXTA-UD5
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti
RAM: 2* 4GB Corsair Vengeance
HDD: Western Digital Blue 1TB (WDC WD10JPVX-00JC3T0)
SSD: Crucial M4 128GB (M4-CT128M4SSD2)
PSU: Corsair 550W
No expansion cards or peripherals

Links for softwares:
TAILS: https://tails.boum.org/install/win/usb/index.en.html
Universal USB: http://filehippo.com/download_universal-usb-installer/
Windows USB installer: http://wudt.codeplex.com/

Edited by Chonsy, 01 August 2017 - 07:49 PM.


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#2 JohnC_21

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:09 PM

Have you attempted to create a bootable USB flash drive with Rufus? If Rufus fails use UnetBootin

 

After creating the bootable flash drive attach and tap F12 at boot to select the flash drive.

 

https://rufus.akeo.ie/

 

https://unetbootin.github.io/

 

Because this is an older motherboard perhaps using Lucid Puppy would work

 

http://puppylinux.org/main/Long-Term-Supported%20Puppy.htm



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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:33 PM

Hi John,

Thanks for the quick reply.

I've detailed my attempts to resolve this problem so far in my 'Further Tests' section and unfortunately I have tried both Rufus and UnetBootin without success, also I have previously had Ubuntu installed on this computer as well as backtrack linux distros, so the mobo is definitely capable and I have tried several linux framework live USB's with the same problem occurring for all, but for some reason I'm able to boot from Windows Live USB :(?

Thanks for the help though, much appreciated.

Edited by Chonsy, 01 August 2017 - 08:33 PM.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:41 PM

Yes, it's strange. Do the distros boot successfully using a DVD?

 

Edit: Are you trying to boot the linux distros in the USB3.0 ports, the ones marked blue? 


Edited by JohnC_21, 01 August 2017 - 08:49 PM.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:45 PM

I haven't tried using a DVD because the computer doesn't have one installed. I could unhook one from the other PC's and try it, but as I have installed multiple OS's in the past using live USB's on this PC including linux distro's I didn't think the problem would lie there, also given the fact that a windows live USB would boot in this manner led me to exclude trying this. Tomorrow I'll hook one up and give it a go just to test, but I've got a feeling that this wouldn't resolve my problem.

Either way I'll try it tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion.

Kind regards,
Chonsy.

Edited by Chonsy, 01 August 2017 - 08:46 PM.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:52 PM

I edited my previous post regarding using USB 3 ports vs USB 2.

 

Another tool  that my get the distros to boot it Yumi

 

https://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/



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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:15 PM

Hey John,

Going to try Yumi now, thanks for the recommendation. This seems like a useful tool for outside of this problem anyway, so thanks.

As for the USB 3.0 ports, I have used every USB port on the mobo and case. I started with the black USB 2.0 ports directly on the mobo without success and have proceeded to try every one to no avail.

Will let you know as soon as I've tested the Yumi boot attempt.

Edited by Chonsy, 01 August 2017 - 09:16 PM.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:56 PM

Just tried Yumi John to the same result, here were my options:

- Selected F:\TAILS as my device
- Selected Fat32 Format F: (Wipes Drive)
- Selected Tails (Anonymous Browsing) as my distribution
- Clicked 'Browse' and navigated to 'tails-amd64-3.0.1.iso'
- Clicked 'Create'

Still the system hung on the black screen with the message "Loading Operating System..." with a blinking cursor underneath. Gave it 5 minutes or so before restarting.

Edited by Chonsy, 01 August 2017 - 09:56 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 06:58 AM

See post #7 Perhaps formatting the drive as NTFS then using dd to copy the iso to the USB flash drive will work.

 

As you already know using the dd command is highly dangerous if you input the wrong device in the dd command.

 

I have not used this utility but it can write an iso to a USB. Format the USB as NTFS then use ImageUSB to write the iso file.

 

https://www.osforensics.com/tools/write-usb-images.html



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Posted 02 August 2017 - 08:20 AM

Well well John!

My hero has come to the rescue. That was indeed the solution, to format as NTFS and to write the disk image via 'dd'.

Any way to give you rep on this website? Since you are most definitely a lifesaver for me.

Also, I spent the past two days googling this problem before posting anything in forums and used the mobo model with various permutations of the problems description and couldn't find that article you posted me. How did you track that down? (Also, this problem stumped about 3 other forums, I'll update them now with the solution, but if it does any good for your ego, you are the best linux forum helper I've met)

Either way, a definite hero if ever there was one. THANK YOU SO MUCH! x

Edited by Chonsy, 02 August 2017 - 08:21 AM.


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 08:47 AM

Your Welcome. Thanks for taking the time to post an update. Seems strange linux would only boot on this MB using NTFS.

 

Edit: I tracked that article down by googling Linux + your MB + USB install or something similar. I kind of forgot. I'm going to have to keep this solution in mind, if I can remember it.


Edited by JohnC_21, 02 August 2017 - 08:49 AM.


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 07:05 PM

I can't help wondering whether an install of Puppy to a USB would have worked. Pup was originally built with running from USB in mind, after all.....and you can run Pup from a FAT32-formatted stick (as long as you choose the save-file option.

 

That way, Puppy has its ext2/3/4 file-system inside of the save-file, albeit running on a FAT32 'top' directory.

 

Worth a try, I would have thought.

 

 

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 11:20 PM

' 3 other forums,'

 

what forums are those, gotta see if they're any good



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:59 AM

Have you posted on Tails Forums?

 

I would assume it is your NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti, but don't know anything about Tails.  In most linux distro's you would use advanced startup options, like in linuxmint it is called Compatibility Mode.  In Tails, it looks like you would have to add a boot parameter to the Boot Loader Menu.

 

Maybe there is an Option in "Additional Settings" but it don't look like there is, or maybe you can't get that far, in that case would have to use the Boot Loader Menu to add a parameter.  

 

https://tails.boum.org/doc/first_steps/startup_options/index.en.html

 

I think this will help you:

https://tails.boum.org/support/known_issues/index.en.html#index20h2


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 09:02 AM

Wow, there is a lot of good info on Tails, maybe this will help also.

https://tails.boum.org/install/win/usb/index.en.html

 

Do you need Tails, that is not really a mainstream Distro for new users.  I would go with something like Ubuntu or Linux Mint.  I'll Link you to a good download.  This is a direct Link:

https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=204

 

Here are the directions to installing with Nvidia Cards.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=122257


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