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(still a newb.) Building PC for file storage only ( offline )


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#1 frldyz

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 04:18 PM

I'm slowly piecing together parts for my 2nd PC build.

We take 10'000's of pictures each year and lots of video. Currently I am storing these on multiple ext. HD's and a 4tb HD connected to my current PC ( online ).

The intent of this 2nd PC build is a PC to store these files on a seperate PC ( offline ) No risk of virus and malware etc...
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*I do not intend to do crazy editing etc... Maybe just photoshop.

Is there anything particular I want to look for in a CPU or APU to maximize my file transfering etc..
Basically we will connect our phones, camcorder ( rarely used ) and ext. HDD to the PC to stransfer files.

I understand USB 3.0 is the way to go. And windows 7 does not support USB 3.0 ( unless I add or download the right software ). In this situation would I want to install win 10 or win 7 and the correct software?

Anything particular I want to look for in a mobo to maximize the intent of this PC?
Suggest RAM size? ( I do not intend to run multiple programs at a time )
Suggested CPU / APU?

Thank you everyone.

** I am leaning towards AMD as my other PC is an intel and just want to try something new.


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#2 Chris Cosgrove

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 05:53 PM

Win 7 does support USB 3.0 or else my desktop with six USB 3 sockets is telling fairy tales !

 

I would not have thought you needed another computer to store these images but you do need substantial storage. Since you already have a mobo and a CPU all you need now is a case, a PSU, some RAM and some hard drives, and a card reader would be nice.

 

4 to 8 GB RAM would be more than adequate for your needs, but as much hard drive capacity as you can fit into a case. Cases which will take 4 hard drives are common and I have seen ones with higher capacity advertised. You will need the capacity as you need to at least duplicate the storage across different drives since one copy is not secure.

 

I don't take quite as many photos as you do but I have one copy on my hard drives for quick access and back-up copies on two 2TB external hard drives.

 

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 06:11 PM

Storage/basic fileservers do not take much in the way of an impressive CPU, or RAM for that matter...

 

In fact, unless completely attached to having another PC just for this, hard to see where one of the plentiful 4 bay NAS affairs could not suffice. Set up in RAID 5, loss of one drive would not result in loss of data....


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Posted 21 July 2017 - 06:25 PM

I would choose to put a LVM volume, so you can add more drives in the future and see them as one.

 

  • The computer needs will be USB 3.* on the front panel (I bet).
  • A modern MB
  • A good PSU with plentyful of wattage.
  • Not much RAM. It will depend on the OS.
  • You shall choose a case which has many HDD bays and external HDD bays if possible.
  • I would go for LVM
  • I prefer Linux, you can use whatever you want but if it will be offline without an AV (or without it being updated) it is preferable a plattform you do not use on a daily basis.
  • Define the policy of the storage: compressed backups or just naked files
  • You have to do the math of how much increases your amount of GBs through months or years + what you have to know how much storage you need to deploy at first.
  • The way I choose an HDD is by comparing the storage per TB and cost.
  • As you will be deploying high amount of data to a system that will go to sleep, you need speed and therefore you must not choose green drives.

Edited by malwaredpc, 21 July 2017 - 06:31 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 05:52 AM

Why another PC? Why not removable media like DVDs or thumb drives?


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 12:59 PM

It sounds like either you want a NAS or simply a backup service. Not totally sure which, possibly both would be useful.  If after a backup service maybe consider cloud backup like Backblaze.  As long as you have a good internet connection these are practical, and have the advantage over external disks, DVD's etc. of being off site.  So no risk of losing them, damaging them, having them stolen etc.

 

If you want to store your files off the PC and access them through a home network (I am not clear from your post, but it is a nice facility to have if you have a number of devices you want to access your data from), I would consider whether something like a Synology NAS would suit your needs better than building a PC specifically for these purposes.  Yes you could also build a NAS based on a PC running one of the specialised operating systems like NAS4Free, but an off the shelf NAS solution is generally easier to configure, smaller, use less power than a PC etc.

 

The reason both could be useful is that it's always useful to have offline backups, and network attached devices can be vulnerable to malware that propagates through the network.  For example if a NAS is running FreeBSD it won't be vulnerable to Windows viruses directly, but if you have the network shares mounted on your Windows PC, the malware could still trash data being stored on the NAS.

 

If you're talking about a totally non networked PC to store stuff, that you physically copy items from to work on to a disk drive, walk it over to your main PC, and then copy it back when you've finished your work, that sounds a bit laborious to me.  Needless to say, almost any old hardware should do the job, and a minimal Linux distro should work fine too.


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Posted 24 July 2017 - 09:38 AM

Why another PC? Why not removable media like DVDs or thumb drives?

 

I'm talking about TB's of files.

I am thinking of trying M-disc.



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Posted 24 July 2017 - 09:41 AM

 

 

 

I would not have thought you needed another computer to store these images but you do need substantial storage. Since you already have a mobo and a CPU all you need now is a case, a PSU, some RAM and some hard drives, and a card reader would be nice.

 

4 to 8 GB RAM would be more than adequate for your needs, but as much hard drive capacity as you can fit into a case. Cases which will take 4 hard drives are common and I have seen ones with higher capacity advertised. You will need the capacity as you need to at least duplicate the storage across different drives since one copy is not secure.

 

I don't take quite as many photos as you do but I have one copy on my hard drives for quick access and back-up copies on two 2TB external hard drives.

 

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Purchased a nice case this past winter. It does have SD card slot.

I do need RAM and a PSU.

*I'd like to go full modular ( just cleaner looking ).  Looking @ full modular PSU's most seem to be in the 500W range.  Even though that's more then I'll ever need would that be ok.  I've read the PSU only draws out as much power is needed.



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Posted 24 July 2017 - 09:46 AM

1. NAS or simply a backup service.

2. If after a backup service maybe consider cloud backup like Backblaze.  As long as you have a good internet connection these are practical, and have the advantage over external disks, DVD's etc. of being off site. 

 

 

  1. NAS does interest me in the future.  But baby steps for me.  Plus my intent is to keep this all offline.

2  I've looked into cloud service.  But from my understanding is if after 30 days the sites does not detect the file on your PC it will delete it.  So I assume that means the PC with the files will need to be online @ all times.  Which is not what I want.  I want offline.



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Posted 24 July 2017 - 10:49 AM

 

Why another PC? Why not removable media like DVDs or thumb drives?

 

I'm talking about TB's of files.

I am thinking of trying M-disc.

 

 

Then it's not an option. It would then be external hard drives for large capacity.


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Posted 24 July 2017 - 12:37 PM

I strongly RErecommend my REcommendation and to REread it.

 

Buy an NZXT PSU. You need few RAM , just to run the OS and it will depend on that. At least 2GB. Do LVM and HDDs. You can install the OS in an SD card or USB thumb. Make backup of that too.


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Posted 24 July 2017 - 01:07 PM

I've been using Drobo 5N boxes for my external storage.  The 5N has been superseded by the 5N2 and the 5N model is currently selling at a discount.  The Drobo is expandable and can provide hardware redundancy.  I have one loaded with 8TB drives for about 32TB of storage and allowing for the failure of one drive.  The Drobo lets you mix and match drives you can start with a couple of 4TB drives, right now the sweet spot for large drives, for another $200.  This will give you about 4TB of storage for about $600.  Then if you need more you can add another 4TB drive later until you fill all five bays.  Once you fill all five bays, or sooner if you want, you can start installing larger drives.



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Posted 24 July 2017 - 01:32 PM

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I've been using Drobo 5N boxes for my external storage.  The 5N has been superseded by the 5N2 and the 5N model is currently selling at a discount.  The Drobo is expandable and can provide hardware redundancy.  I have one loaded with 8TB drives for about 32TB of storage and allowing for the failure of one drive.  The Drobo lets you mix and match drives you can start with a couple of 4TB drives, right now the sweet spot for large drives, for another $200.  This will give you about 4TB of storage for about $600.  Then if you need more you can add another 4TB drive later until you fill all five bays.  Once you fill all five bays, or sooner if you want, you can start installing larger drives.

That's nice and beautiful!!

 

Yet the problem with it is that it is online and the OP is looking for offline solution.



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Posted 24 July 2017 - 03:06 PM

You can connect to the 5N by UNC path \\Drobo\Public so you're not actually mapping a drive letter to it.  There are also USB/Thunderbolt and USB versions of the Drobo, but the 5N is currently bargain priced.  Other than connection type the unit functions are the same.






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