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#1 Skittzo

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 01:50 PM

Hey guys,

 

With the help from many of you on selecting parts and suggesting build videos, I build my first basic computer for my mother and it came out great.

 

Now I want to build one for myself. Again I'm a bit terrified as this will be a gaming computer w/ water cooling, multiple storage drives, etc.

 

My budget is $1500, although I can stretch it a little more if I have too. It will be my main everyday computer, however I want it build around gaming while streaming my game play. The current game I play is World of Warcraft. I play it at a competitive level and want to utilize the "Ultra" video settings. I also want the option of playing more GPU demanding games in the future. For memory I would like 32gb, for storage, I want an SSD drive for the OS and World of Warcraft (I'm interested in the NVMe SSD's but I don't know anything about them), and 2 TB of HDD. Water cooling is preferred, hopefully I can pull off installing it :)

 

I've decided on a couple parts already which are listed below.

 

CASE: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/obsidian-series-450d-mid-tower-pc-case

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K

Motherboard: ?

RAM:?

SSD: ?

HDD: ?

GPU: ?

PS: ?

Cooling: ?

 

I could use help with everything else. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I tend to upgrade my computer every 7-8 years or so, so I'm looking for a build that will get me at least that far with good game play and overall reliability.

 

Keep in mind, this is only my second build so my build confidence level is a tick above zero :)

 

Thank you


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#2 Drillingmachine

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 04:02 PM

Your CPU choice is bad for 7-8 years. Something like this is much better. Video card and watercooling are missing. Video card prices are very high right now so getting just mid end card and upgrading later is good option.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gkHvGf
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gkHvGf/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($294.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard ($193.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($261.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8000 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($197.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair - 450D ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Lite-On - iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($15.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit ($104.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1315.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Posted 26 July 2017 - 03:27 AM

I'll play 'devil's advocate' here, just so all purchase options are considered...

 

FACT: the 7700K outperforms...well... every single Ryzen... in in every game out ....right now. If/when games start scaling within Windows like Cinebench (i'e., each core helping a sizable amount), then maybe less folks will continue to buy the 7700K at Amazon like it is going out of production soon. 

 

But, actual performance be 'darned', recommending the slightly slower product now is considered the better play, while just sheer hoping and assuming that the 5-15% gaming performance deficit of the R7-1700 changes a few years down the road....? (just like occurred in years past when the 8350 overtook all of Intel's past designs.....?)  >crickets chirping....> 

 

The exception would be gaming while streaming....Ryzen's extra cores indeed come in handy then, to the point of where the 7700K then starts falling behind in gaming benchmarks...; Ryzen is a good recommend in that scenario. No one is saying the 1700-1800X series of cpus are bad processors...they are just simply not as fast as the 7700K in games. Might that change with massive rewriting of Windows coding? Will all games coming out one month from now or 6 months from now suddenly be 'more core' happy?

 

But for gaming..now? Half the time, I seem to see even the R5-1600 outperforming R7-1700 in gaming performance....; why is that? Are more cores/threads beyond 4c/8t or 6c/12t even possibly a hindrance in gaming? 

 

And as for reliability? Let's not even discuss the sheer numbers of folks with 'my new Ryzen build won't even post' over at Toms Hardware...' you'd begin to think the assorted B350/X370 mainboards must all be running Samsung firmware and Samsung batteries or something.... :)


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 10:13 AM

Main problem with this "not so fast in games" is the fact that IRL gaming scenarios are almost always GPU limited while low res gaming benchmarks deliberately try to avoid that.

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 06:42 PM

1920x1080 is still the resolution standard used by 90% of most folks...I wouldn't call it 'low res', per se, as I agree that 800x600 (or lower) gaming results you see in some cpu/memory bandwidth charts are useless...)

 

(No one said Ryzen was 'not so fast in games'.....; I said 'not *as* fast as the 7700k'...not intended as a slight, just a fact. The 7700K is often not as fast as Ryzen once streaming while comes into play in many scenarios...also a fact. The 7900X is not as fast as the 7700K in most games, and, I doubt that Threadripper will be as fast as either in gaming, either....)

 

Gaming performance is certainly currently a mix of both CPU and GPU performance. But to recommend one cpu over another when the former's performance at all resolutions (yes, the difference is nil at 4k) is slightly slower , and tout it as having more gaming system longevity seems....questionable.

 

(If someone wanted to approximately match the 1800X's performance, they could always underclock the 7700k to the same approximate 4.0 GHz that the 1800X tops out at....)


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 06:50 PM

As for NVME drives....several are out, they are a tad more expensive, but, read speeds can be awesome at times, approximating the speed of about 6 SSDs in RAID 0


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 07:15 PM

As for Z270 boards, I'm pretty darn happy with the Asus Z270A Prime at only $140 or so, and the MSI Z270 SLI Plus is also pretty well sought after....excellent features, moderately low price...


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 09:10 PM

1920x1080 is still the resolution standard used by 90% of most folks...I wouldn't call it 'low res', per se, as I agree that 800x600 (or lower) gaming results you see in some cpu/memory bandwidth charts are useless...)

 

1080p is low res when paired with a GTX 1080.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 01:15 PM

1920x1080 is still the resolution standard used by 90% of most folks...I wouldn't call it 'low res', per se, as I agree that 800x600 (or lower) gaming results you see in some cpu/memory bandwidth charts are useless...)

 
1080p is low res when paired with a GTX 1080.


My point exactly. Nobody buys $500-$800 card for 1080p monitor.
 

As for Z270 boards, I'm pretty darn happy with the Asus Z270A Prime at only $140 or so, and the MSI Z270 SLI Plus is also pretty well sought after....excellent features, moderately low price...


All X370 ATX motherboards are better than any Z270 motherboard, because Z270 motherboards can be bottlenecked with even one fast M.2 SSD drive.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 08:50 PM

 

1920x1080 is still the resolution standard used by 90% of most folks...I wouldn't call it 'low res', per se, as I agree that 800x600 (or lower) gaming results you see in some cpu/memory bandwidth charts are useless...)

 

1080p is low res when paired with a GTX 1080.

 

Agreed, and certainly overkill on most games at 1080/60Hz, but, some folks like 144 Hz monitors, and the 1080 or the Ti is much more likely to provide such framerates at max quality than lesser cards...and lesser processors...

 

A recent comparison of 1080/1440/4k gaming with 1700 and 7700K average, minimums, and 1% lows at sock and OC'd  for each...

 


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