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#1 cooljay

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:15 PM

I tried to see the memory situation but can't confirm that it has 30GB storage. Not looking at the computer itself nor specs online.

 

It seems to have 505MB though.

 

Right now I am running Lucid Puppy from a live CD but haven't installed it yet. But I want to install a Puppy, and want to make the right decision.

 

Any ideas, and does it ultimately matter? I mean, what differences are there really? I already noticed the desktop can be customized which is important to me. You can have a dock, etc. So what really does it matter if it;s one version over the other? What is difference between Lucid and Tahr, for example?



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Posted 29 June 2017 - 03:37 AM

Looks to me at the bottom of this page (just above the 'Show Pictures' link) that there's 256MB RAM installed with a 30GiB HDD, which would be plenty for a frugal install. :)

 

Of course, RAM as well as the HDD are often upgradable.

 

http://www.cheeverind.com/2888-69U.html

 

Does this look like your PC? If so, one of our Puppy specialists can assist you with getting the OS up & running. :)

 

Good Luck with Puppy, we've had a lot of requests for assistance of these OS's as of late, so the few who are the most knowledgeable members may be swamped at the moment, or offline for other reasons. Just wanted to let you know that you're not forgotten. :thumbsup:

 

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 04:33 AM

If possible, I suggest using a Puppy that's based on a currently supported distro, such as Tahr. For one thing, choosing a currently supported distro means you can access its software repositories to install stuff.

Lucid Puppy was based on Ubuntu 10.04, which reached its EOL in 2013.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

I also gather that there are no, or very few, up-to-date internet browsers that you can install to Lucid.

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 09:09 AM

If possible, I suggest using a Puppy that's based on a currently supported distro, such as Tahr. For one thing, choosing a currently supported distro means you can access its software repositories to install stuff.

Lucid Puppy was based on Ubuntu 10.04, which reached its EOL in 2013.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

I also gather that there are no, or very few, up-to-date internet browsers that you can install to Lucid.

 

Agreed, 100%. Especially about the EOL issue. I would have suggested Precise, but that reached EOL this year, back in April.....

 

Lucid's problem is that it uses an ancient version of the glibc; 2.11, to be exact. And that's why the browser issue exists.

 

I run a copy of Lucid 5.2.8.7, the most up-to-date release of Lupu. Richard Erwin has taken it upon himself to maintain it, since it still has quite a user-base amongst Puppians; many apps/utilities have been upgraded/updated, and a shed-load of stuff has been re-scripted to make it work better.....but the one thing you can't upgrade is the glibc itself. As with any Linux distro, the entire thing is built around the General 'C' library; you try to upgrade it, you break the OS.....unless you re-compile every single inter-connected app/utility/command that references the glibc. A major undertaking. Hence, the need to keep upgrading your OS itself, as newer releases use successively newer and newer versions of the glibc.

 

The newest version of Chrome that will run on Lucid? Version 26. Chrome is about to hit version 60. That makes it 34 versions (and nearly 5 years) out-of-date.....

 

I believe watchdog's 'tweaked' versions of PaleMoon are about the only vaguely up-to-date browsers that'll run on there now.

 

 

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 12:08 PM

Thanks for all your replies. Cat, I saw that web page, didn't know what to make of it, and no, that's not it.

But you gave me an idea, Cat, and I called the guy where I bought it. So here it is: 512MB, and 30GB HDD. According to him, "you can't run anything on it." And I said, not even Linux? He conceded you can run Linux on it, depending on the distro.

 

Sorry, but - I kind of REALLY feel like installing Lubuntu 16.04 on this one (which has a decent sized screen of 14.1") and install Puppy on the Toshiba notebook.

 

(Not to go off topic, but Lubuntu is ok to install on here, right?)

 

Thank you Al and Mike for clearing up the issue with Lucid. I didn't realize that it was outdated and not supported anymore. So that's what Tahr is all about, it's the most current version. Ok.

 

@Mike - I saw the thread you started on Puppy distros back in December. And I know there is a link there where the creator explains why it's ok to be root all the time, but, as you warned, it is dense for some people, like yours truly.

So, would you mind summarizing in plain English in one paragraph or less why it is not a security risk to be out there gallavanting on the internet, possibly the deep web, as "root?"

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 12:36 PM

Puppy's Philosophy: Fear Not Root!

 

http://barryk.org/puppylinux/technical/root.htm


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Posted 29 June 2017 - 02:52 PM

@Cat:-

 

This is a far better 'specs' page than the one you linked to. It's Lenovo's own support page for cooljay's model.....Lenovo now being the 'curators' for the older Thinkpads.

 

https://support.lenovo.com/gb/en/solutions/migr-58208

 

It clearly shows it'll support up to 2 GB RAM, and, much further down the page, up to an 80GB HDD.

 

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@cooljay:-

 

Strictly speaking, XenialPup is the newest 'buntu-based Pup.....but Tahrpup is a lot more stable, having had the bugs worked out of it ages ago. And being based on an LTS release, it's still supported for nearly 2 more years yet.

 

XenialPup is only just out of 'testing', and is still somewhat buggy.

 

As Al mentioned about 10.04 Lucid Lynx, it too was an LTS release.....but between Lucid and 14.04 'Trusty' Tahr, 4 years later, Canonical extended the support cycle for LTS releases from 3 years to the full 5 that it is currently. Lubuntu, as you already know, has never supported its LTS releases for more than 3 yrs.

 

Look at The-Toolman's link; you need only read the 'root' section, and it's written in very plain English; you'll manage it easily, mate. One thing you are not is dumb; don't run yourself down!

 

I've run into far more 'experienced' users than you who can hardly string two sentences together. You express yrself clearly & concisely.....which is good.

 

Just take your time with it.

 

 

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Edited by Mike_Walsh, 29 June 2017 - 03:10 PM.

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 04:37 PM

Hey cooljay,

 

Hey do you live in the US.

 

Because if so and you need some DDR laptop memory I may have some around here that I will give to you for the cost of a self addressed stamped envelope.

 

I will have to see if I can locate it and it I'm uncertain of the size until I locate it.

 

More than happy to give it to someone to use than have it sit around not being used.

 

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 05:53 PM

Now that's a generous offer, cooljay. You don't get offers like that anywhere else that I know of...

 

 

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Edited by Mike_Walsh, 29 June 2017 - 05:54 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 03:17 AM

He conceded you can run Linux on it, depending on the distro.


This is normal with older hardware. It tends to be the newer and more graphically intensive distros, such as Ubuntu 16.04, that won't run on older hardware. I have the same problem with an old laptop that won't even run Ubuntu 12.04.

Edited by Al1000, 30 June 2017 - 03:17 AM.


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Posted 30 June 2017 - 09:56 AM

Sorry, but - I kind of REALLY feel like installing Lubuntu 16.04 on this one (which has a decent sized screen of 14.1") and install Puppy on the Toshiba notebook.

You'd better test all programs you like using before installing.  Browser, Word Processing, Wifi, youtubue etc.  If something does not work, then I would go to the 14.04 Series.  

 

I always check overheating problems when I test.  I figure, what's the sense of installing to a Laptop that is overheating, especially a very old laptop as this one, if I am seeing correctly.  To do this Install "lm-sensors"  

 

To install "lm-sensors" during a live session run this command:  

sudo apt-get install lm-sensors

Then run to set it up.  Accept all the defaults by Pressing Enter each time you are asked a question.

sudo sensors-detect

To run lm-sensors

sudo sensors

To monitor sensors

sudo watch sensors

To exit "Watch Sensors" Use “Ctrl + z”


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Posted 30 June 2017 - 10:31 AM

Bearing in mind what I said about support cycles, if you do decide to give Lubuntu 14.04 a go, it will now be unsupported...

 

April '17 was end of life for that particular version.

 

 

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 10:49 AM

Mike, I was under the impression that Lubuntu followed the same as Ubuntu 14.04.1 and therefore would be April 2019?

 

Doh, and Al posted the Wiki for Ubuntu above

 

This would be the safest bet, 14.04.1

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04.1/release/lubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-i386.iso

fb398ca2688fcd414bdb0390fa9bd02b591ffc69a995100ba6b0002d5ec622e3 *lubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
 

This would be the 14.04.5

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04.1/release/lubuntu-14.04.5-desktop-i386.iso

914375b9ff2350c2876621a97b44eb95e6a3bd85a72f7dcff57908fe1e102488 *lubuntu-14.04.5-desktop-i386.iso


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Posted 30 June 2017 - 01:22 PM

Mike, I was under the impression that Lubuntu followed the same as Ubuntu 14.04.1 and therefore would be April 2019?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu#Lubuntu_14.04_LTS

 

Clearly states three years, I'm afraid... (and see 'Releases' at the foot of the page, showing support cycle and EOL).

 

 

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Edited by Mike_Walsh, 30 June 2017 - 01:31 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 04:54 PM

Perhaps this will help as it shows the different Lubuntu versions and date of release and end of support.

 

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lubuntu


Edited by The-Toolman, 30 June 2017 - 08:36 PM.

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