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#1 VpnSeeker

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:52 AM

Is it possible to use two wireless routers with one cable modem? Essentially, I want one router for work purposes, be it wireless or wired. I want the other router, which is VPN capable to serve as the main router for my home wireless network.

I was told by my VPN provider it's doable, but I tried what they told me and the VPN capable router couldn't get connectivity.

Connection method:

Cable modem > non-VPN router's Internet port > port 1 > VPN router's Internet port.

Are there particular settings that need to be changed on the routers, so the non-VPN router will provide connectivity for the VPN router?

I'm no network expert in this area, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Edited by VpnSeeker, 28 June 2017 - 12:58 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:55 AM

Who is your VPN provider?

 

Your ISP may be blocking VPN connections.

 

Try a simple VPN setup first.


Edited by jwoods301, 28 June 2017 - 12:57 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:57 AM

Who is your VPN provider?


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:00 AM

Actually, if use the VPN capable router only, it works fine after adjusting the DNS settings.

Edited by VpnSeeker, 28 June 2017 - 01:02 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:12 AM

I'm not sure why you want two routers...you connect to the VPN through the OpenVPN client, or you connect without using the OpenVPN client.

 

If you are connecting remotely to your office, you would probably want to also use a VPN.


Edited by jwoods301, 28 June 2017 - 01:13 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:15 AM

I'm not sure why you want two routers...you connect to the VPN through the OpenVPN client, or you connect without using the OpenVPN client.
 
If you are connecting remotely to your office, you would probably want to also use a VPN.

I want my VPN always connected. If it is, I can't connect to my work VPN when I work from home. I don't want to have to constantly activate/deactivate OpenVPN client on my router.

Doing VPN to VPN causes "hairpinning". Which, affects overall connectivity.

Also, the VPN provider said it's much easier to use another router versus a switch due to possible DHCP issues.

Edited by VpnSeeker, 28 June 2017 - 01:21 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:32 AM

Also, the VPN provider said it's much easier to use another router versus a switch due to possible DHCP issues.

 

Since you're paying them, and they're saying it can work, you should probably be working with them directly.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:34 AM

Also, the VPN provider said it's much easier to use another router versus a switch due to possible DHCP issues.
 
Since you're paying them, and they're saying it can work, you should probably be working with them directly.


I tried, but imagine trying to configure a network via chat as their customer support is through online chat or e-mail.

I know it's possible to do this, I'm just not sure what I'm missing at this point.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:01 AM

The non vpn router has to support vpn passthrough.  If not listed in the feature set get a different non vpn router.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:35 AM

The non vpn router has to support vpn passthrough.  If not listed in the feature set get a different non vpn router.

How would that help? The non VPN router would not be part of the VPN connectivity.

Can you explain further please?

Edited by VpnSeeker, 28 June 2017 - 10:37 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:08 PM

"The non VPN router would not be part of the VPN connectivity"

 

Of course it is.  You are tunneling through it right?

 

http://www.think-like-a-computer.com/2014/09/28/vpn-passthrough/



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:38 PM

"The non VPN router would not be part of the VPN connectivity"
 
Of course it is.  You are tunneling through it right?
 
http://www.think-like-a-computer.com/2014/09/28/vpn-passthrough/


Define what you mean by tunneling through it?

I might need to draw this, so it's more understandable.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:50 PM

Your diagram right?

Cable modem > non-VPN router's Internet port > port 1 > VPN router's Internet port.

Doesn't work according to you. 

 

Cable modem >  VPN router's Internet port

"if use the VPN capable router only, it works fine"

why do you think that is?

 

Define what you mean by tunneling through it?"

Look at your non working diagram.  How do you think the vpn router is getting internet?  from the first router.  How is the vpn going to go [tunnel] through the non vpn router?  By tunneling through it.  Do you understand a vpn is a tunnel through the internet/routers?

 

Did you read the link?

Have you read your routers docs to see if it supports vpn passthrough???


Edited by Wand3r3r, 28 June 2017 - 01:51 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 02:09 PM

Your diagram right?
Cable modem > non-VPN router's Internet port > port 1 > VPN router's Internet port.
Doesn't work according to you. 
 
Cable modem >  VPN router's Internet port
"if use the VPN capable router only, it works fine"
why do you think that is?
 
Define what you mean by tunneling through it?"
Look at your non working diagram.  How do you think the vpn router is getting internet?  from the first router.  How is the vpn going to go [tunnel] through the non vpn router?  By tunneling through it.  Do you understand a vpn is a tunnel through the internet/routers?
 
Did you read the link?
Have you read your routers docs to see if it supports vpn passthrough???


Yes, read it. Sorry for my confusion. I'm like a fish out of water right now.

Yes, I understand the VPN router would get connectivity from the non VPN Router. It's not though. So, you're asking if my non VPN router supports VPN pass through. It's an older 2.4ghz. Linksys Router w/ Speed Boost I was testing. I'm guessing it doesn't.

Edited by VpnSeeker, 28 June 2017 - 02:14 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 02:20 PM

It's an older 2.4ghz. Linksys Router w/ Speed Boost I was testing. I'm guessing it doesn't.

 

Check on the Linksys Support page for your specific make/model router...

 

http://www.linksys.com/us/support/

 

I have seen some pretty ancient routers that support VPN passthrough.

 

This is from Netgear's site, but has some good steps to follow to troubleshoot passthrough issues...

 

https://kb.netgear.com/966/Troubleshooting-VPN-passthrough-for-home-routers


Edited by jwoods301, 28 June 2017 - 02:22 PM.





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