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Puppy on a Windows 10 laptop


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#1 cafejose

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 03:38 AM

Mod edit Al1000 ~ Split from: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/649762/im-in-a-dilemma-of-sorts/
 

You can download it...no need to have anyone send it to you.
 
The Puppy Linux site has the download, and resources for getting started...
 
http://puppylinux.com/

That could be fun to do on the Windows 10 laptop, IF I was sure about what to do with the UEFI stuff, getting F12 key to give me Boot Option Menu, and some time later, to put everything back the Way it was.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 03:53 AM

Puppy doesn't work with UEFI, so installing it on your laptop would entail switching Secure Boot off.

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:48 AM

Actually, Al, that's not entirely true.

 

Phil Broughton has produced a couple of Pups which work with UEFI. Tahrpup64 6.0.6 (an upgrade from 6.0.5) does, and so does the newest version of XenialPup. And of course, FatDog has worked with UEFI for quite some time; the FatDog devs, Kirk & jamesbond, were the ones who shared the UEFI 'shim' with the rest of the Woof-CE community.

 

Tahr64 6.0.6:- http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-tahr/iso/tahrpup%20-6.0-CE/tahr-6.0.6-uefi.iso

 

XenialPup64 7.0.8.5:- http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/test/xenialpup/xenialpup64-7.0.8.5-uefi.iso

 

FatDog 710:- http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/iso/Fatdog64-710.iso

 

As I understand it, these Pups have all been set up to auto-detect UEFI or MBR, and to load the appropriate modules accordingly. No need to mess around with SecureBoot, and all that junk. And as I'm sure you know yourself, there's no need to 'install' Pup to the internal HDD, as each & every Pup is designed to work entirely from a flash drive, if required.

 

Not being au fait with modern Windows (and modern hardware), I can't speak from experience, but I'm pretty certain with the above-mentioned Pups that if you can get to a one-time, or boot options Menu on the Win 10 machine, that Pup should boot straight up off the flash drive.....especially if Grub4DOS is installed to the flash drive itself.

 

Cat keeps saying that Puppy needs to move to 64-bit, and UEFI; I keep telling him that it is, but.....I get the impression he's not listening to me!

 

 

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 06:03 AM

Phil Broughton has produced a couple of Pups which work with UEFI.


I don't think I knew that, or if I did, I had forgotten.

Thanks for the correction Mike. :)

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 11:14 PM

Mike_Walsh,

What you say in post #3 is all the stuff I do not know how to do and do not understand.  I know that for a computer on Windows Vista  (I do not know how this relates to UEFI), we can startup the computer, press or pulse-press the F12 key, reach the boot options menu, and choose to continue the startup to Compact Disc on which there may be a live-linux operating system to try and play with.  Contrary to that, a computer on Windows 10, which is present on UEFI computers, will not give us the easy way to get to the boot options menu for startup into whatever drive we want.  Instead we have all this secure-boot and legacy boot stuff; and if we turn off secure boot, maybe later we could turn it back on or we cannot turn it back on, so therefore we make our computer less secure.  I wish there were a clear, organized way to study and learn this.  Internet search attempts at this have given inconclusive and unclear directions and explanations.



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 01:28 AM

Have a look at this.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:53 AM

Have a look at this.

 

Those instructions may be OK for an Asus computer, but they're make (and possibly model) specific, and would need some "translation" for other makes of  machine.

 

BIOS and UEFI screens (and the way they are accessed) vary quite a bit from manufacturer to manufacturer, so really we need the OPs make and model, so that we can supply appropriate machine specific instructions for disabling secure boot and fast boot.

 

To the OP ..... as far as security goes, if you disable secure boot then there is some risk to your machine from "bootkit" infections, but because secure boot is generally enabled on most people's machines (and because GUID Partition tables have replaced the old MBR type Partition tables), that type of infection is generally no longer "profitable" and so are much, much less prevalent nowadays than they once were.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:05 PM

I have a MSI desktop and 2 HP laptops on the Desktop I have to press F11 to access BIOS on the 2 HP laptops its F10 the rest is the same.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:26 PM

Whereas the access to and layout of the UEFI screen on my HP laptop is sufficiently different to cause an inexperienced User difficulties, and the impression I have of the OP is that they are not experienced in working with BIOS and UEFI.

 

My point here, is not to "trash" the video which you posted a link to, it is solely to point out that the details it gives are not universal, and there may be differences between it, and what the OP finds on their own machine.



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 12:23 AM

 

Whereas the access to and layout of the UEFI screen on my HP laptop is sufficiently different to cause an inexperienced User difficulties,

You are right it may confuse a novice. My bad sorry.

 

@Gary.

I wonder if disabling fast boot and UEFI from with in Windows 10 would be easier?


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 12:43 AM

It will certainly be more consistent from machine to machine, since any instructions given will be independent of the hardware platform.






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