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#1 Astrovel

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 12:21 AM

I'm in a dilemma of sorts. My DH (dear hubby) was having trouble dealing with Win 7 after years of XP. At 84, He is beginning to show some signs of dementia so it is hard for him to follow directions sometimes. He's forgotten everything the next day. We decided to try to go back to XP since he was getting very frustrated with Win 7. That turned out to be disastrous because none of the browsers work and nothing works like it did when XP wasn't a bad word. My thought is that I might try him with Ubunktu Puppy since it is supposed to have a similar to XP feel to it. ??? Not sure if that's correct as we haven't received the disk yet and tried it. The only thing he needs to be able to do is access his Word 2003 program and get his emails and browse the internet for various searches. If we could get a reliable, uncomplicated operating system, that would be fantastic. 

Where can I get some step by step instructions on how to use Puppy from scratch? I read in a few postings that there are several different versions of Puppy as there are in Windows. I'm not sure which version I'll be getting but I am sure it will be interesting to see if we can get something in place for my DH which he can use without too much difficulty.

What tips can you offer to us when we are starting from scratch and don't know beans about Ubunktu or Linux?



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Posted 21 June 2017 - 12:33 AM

You can download it...no need to have anyone send it to you.

 

The Puppy Linux site has the download, and resources for getting started...

 

http://puppylinux.com/



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Posted 21 June 2017 - 06:22 AM

Hallo, Astrovel.

 

Actually, there's close on 400 different versions of Puppy. However, most of these are specialised 'spins' on just a few 'base' Pups; there's only around half-a-dozen base Pups. Some of these are based on Slackware Linux, some are based on Ubuntu Linux.

 

I would always recommend the Ubuntu-based Pups, for the simple reason that they're far simpler to use. The 'Slacko' Puppies tend to need rather more work doing to them to make them run properly.

 

You can indeed run M$ Office on Pup, using something called WINE.....which simulates a 'real-time' Windows environment, and allows you to run many Windows programs. Some need rather a lot of 'titivation' to work properly; Office, and Word in particular, are thankfully relatively easy. I run a standalone copy of MS Word 2000 myself, in around a dozen different Puppies.

 

If you're still interested in trying this, be aware that Puppy can in fact run entirely from a USB flash drive. It loads entirely into RAM memory, and runs from there. RAM is by far the fastest component of any computer. This way, you don't need to mess around trying to install Pup to your internal hard drive.

 

Let us know what you'd like to try doing, and we'll go from there.....OK? And don't worry; Puppy was designed to be a more-or-less drop-in replacement for Windows XP 'refugees'..! It's not hard, and we can indeed guide you through, step-by-step if necessary.

 

 

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:44 PM

I'm not dealing with Puppy anymore. I am in Ubuntu 17.04 Zesty Zapus. (I hate that name).med They talked me into an OS that had more features that I expressed interest in. However now I am dead in the water because I no longer can connect to the internet. I can't get Thunderbird setup to receive and send emails. There's a couple of popups that can probably be fixed by a knowledgeable person, but since that I am not......I am dead in the water.

 

 Should I post this in the Ubuntu 17 forum? I am pretty sure I am using the correct settings for ATT but there must be another button that needs pushing....??? It also says it can't find the mail spool file. Have no idea how to fix that.

I must have screwed something up trying to put the correct settings in there.

It sees my WIFI but won't sign on. 

Will somebody walk me through from the very beginning? 



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 04:59 AM

Hey Astrovel,

 

I'm sure you are tired of hearing what Linux distro is best. I have found to work best for most new Linux users is Linux Mint Xfce 18.

It is a long term supported linux distro and in most cases works OOTB.

 

 Linux Mint 18 Xfce 32 bit or 64 bit depending on your system specs.

32 bit for 3.0 gb of memory.

64 bit for over 4.0 gb of memory.

 

Linux Mint Xfce:

 

https://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=27

 

Helpful information.

 

Easy Linux Tips Project:

 

https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/

 

Not to PO the Puppy users as I'm one of you also.

 

Puppy is a great Linux distro but not for new Linux users.

New Linux users want to install Linux / Update Linux and then start using Linux right OOTB.

 

My shields are  up so you can start throwing the rocks at me.


Edited by The-Toolman, 12 July 2017 - 05:12 AM.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 01:55 PM

OMIGOSH!!! I can't believe there are so many different OS in the Linux family. Besides all the puppies, there is Ubuntu,Lubuntu,Xbuntu and Linux 1,2,3, et al each with a different name. And everybody saying theirs is the best choice. Holy cow! How do solve a simple problem....just get me up and running on a fairly old machine. I don't even know how old. Now that I have installed Ubuntu 17.04 which is now, the latest and greatest (supposedly) and I see posted : "That's why Ubuntu 17.04 isn't supported on this website." Dang!

I did not install it dual boot because I thought my DH's computer was only a 40 gig HD. I notice now, though that it is 80 gig. so no problem with memory. I can't go back to Windows because Ubuntu overwrote it. 

I don't understand what they mean "3. Computers with Windows 8.x or 10: first configure them for dual boot".... if you are installing it on a different machine, would you do it differently? I would have to download the Linux program on my Win8.1 computer and take it in to the other room and install it on my DH machine. I can't download it directly because I can't get online with my husband's computer. Something's screwed up in the networking or non-networking (don't know which). 

Also....what constitutes an "old" machine? How do I know if my computer is just an old machine or a really old one? What instructions should I follow?  My DH's computer is a HP-Compaq HP-DX2000 MT. Memory 3.7 GIB, Processor: Intel Celeron CPU 2.53 Ghz, OS 32-bit, Disc 78.2 gb. 

I get the main window up in Ubuntu. I just can't do anything until I can download further instructions, set up his printer drivers etc so I can print out the instructions I see on the screen, and get his emails going again. It seems that Thunderbird doesn't like me either.

Can you give me some basic settings for internet options? We have a DSL type modem that is hard wired into the house. It is ATT Uverse?. I have been searching the settings on my own computer to see if I can figure out what I did wrong because the internet was working a week or so ago. 

I appreciate your help. Thank you very much.



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:51 PM

Well understand that when we talk about linux we are talking about the kernel.

Linux is actually a kernel not a OS and that kernel in itself is open source and adaptable.

The kernel in simple terms is the the core of the system while everything else is branched into it.

Its not like windows where the kernel is tied into everything including the file manager, web browser and everything else.

Linux is very stand alone and it is how people build around it is where things start to get complicated.

The reason why linux has so much in its family is there is not one unified UI or file manager or anything for it.

Linux has countless user interfaces, some light some heavy and all catered to a different user base.

For your case you will need something light so something like puppy will probably work best.

The only othe one that may work is mint 18 and its XFCE edition as that is considered very light.


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Posted 13 July 2017 - 08:15 PM

Thanks for explaining Linux better. I just can't go any farther until I can figure out the "can't find mail spool file". And it keeps saying it can't find the www.yahoo.com file. I'm stuck.



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Posted 13 July 2017 - 09:02 PM

I don't know what "can't find mail spool file" is so I'm unable to give any help.

 

I did find this.

 

https://askubuntu.com/questions/328143/thunderbird-showing-unable-to-locate-mail-spool-file-on-installing-gmail-accou


Edited by The-Toolman, 13 July 2017 - 09:24 PM.

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 07:10 AM

Hi Astrovel,

That is a "fairly old" computer, in terms of how fast computers age. Generally speaking, operating systems are designed to work on computers that are around at the time that the operating systems are written. For example, as new drivers are included for new hardware in new operating systems, older drivers for older hardware are dropped.

For this reason, it's a good idea to choose an older (but still supported) operating system, for an older computer.

First of all, I suggest buying some blank 4.7GB DVD-Rs or DVD-RWs. Particularly with older computers, finding a supported (i.e. updatable) operating system that works is to a large extent, often a matter of trial and error.

The first one I suggest trying is Linux Mint 17.3 MATE. I suggest the MATE version because it works better on older computers, and looks similar to Windows XP.

This operating system is supported until April 2019, by which time this computer will be "very old," and will be extremely slow trying to run a modern internet browser for example, and choices of 32 bit versions of browsers will become extremely limited. If you can get another couple of years out of this computer, you'll be doing well.

Download links for Linux Mint 17.3 MATE (32 bit) are beneath the "mirror" heading here:
https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=205

Burning to a DVD is easy in Windows:

1) Download Linux Mint.
2) Right click on the file.
3) Select "Burn disc image."

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The DVD will eject when it's finished. It is then ready to be used.

Edited by Al1000, 14 July 2017 - 07:24 AM.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 10:52 PM

Downloaded and installed Mint as recommended. Everything works pretty much as expected. Still can't get on the internet. Says it can't find the server. Will keep trying to get some help along those lines.

Thank you so very much for all your help. You are a lifesaver. that's for sure.



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Posted 15 July 2017 - 05:56 AM

Hi, Astrovel.

 

I take it you're trying to get connected to the web via Ethernet, yes? I haven't used Mint for the longest time, but if it's as I remember (I used the Cinnamon desktop), there should be a networking icon in the system 'tray', bottom right-hand corner.

 

What do you get when you click on it? What does the pop-up tell you?

 

 

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 06:47 AM

It's wifi that Astrovel is trying to use, Mike.

Astrovel,

Now that you have Mint installed, please open a terminal, type the following command exactly as I have typed it, then press enter on your keyboard:
inxi -Fz
Scroll down the output of the command, until you see the heading Network. Here is the output of the command on my computer as an example (my highlighting):
 

Network: Card-1: NVIDIA MCP55 Ethernet driver: forcedeth port: ed00 bus-ID: 00:10.0
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:1b:fc:a7:f4:36
Card-2: NVIDIA MCP55 Ethernet driver: forcedeth port: ec00 bus-ID: 00:11.0
IF: eth1 state: down mac: 00:1b:fc:a7:ff:a3
Card-3: Realtek RTL8187 Wireless Adapter driver: rtl8187 usb-ID: 001-003
IF: wlan0 state: down mac: 00:15:af:0f:7d:5b


See where the output of the command states the type of wireless adapter that my computer has (Realtek RTL8187), and the driver that it is using (rtl8187).

Please copy this information from the output of the command on the computer in question, into a post here.

Edited by Al1000, 15 July 2017 - 06:51 AM.


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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:14 AM

My bad, Al.

 

The DX2000 micro-tower is a desktop-type PC, and only comes with Ethernet as standard.

 

https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c00193950#AbT6

 

So I'm wondering if it's had a wireless card added as an 'extra'.....or is it using a wireless adapter of some sort? At a guess, I'm betting it's got a Broadcom chip, whatever it is.....which are an absolute PITA to get working, and usually involve some kind of 'jiggery-pokery' to get them up-and-running.

 

I'm sure you're aware exactly what I'm referring to..! Let's wait and see if Astrovel can post the inxi output for us, and then we'll hopefully find out what's what.

 

 

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Edited by Mike_Walsh, 15 July 2017 - 08:28 AM.

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 03:16 PM

Gosh you guys are WAY over my head. I can't even find what remotely looks like a "terminal". Stupid, I know but....I have been looking all over for somewhere I could enter a c:\ prompt or command line but I don't see it. I'm beginning to think I'm the one with dementia.

Yes, there is a D-Link adapter that is connected by USB and it is happily flashing away which is wirelessly connected to my computer that is connected to our ATT Uverse modem. Hubby's computer is in another room. Error window that comes up says it cannot find the network, as in maybe I didn't type it right as in www.dumbbell.me.

I think I copied the D-Link drivers before we dumped XP but it seems to me the file extension was .ink or somewhat?. When I tried to copy them back again, it doesn't recognize that file extension.

Now guys, remember you are dealing with your 83 yr old grandmother so go nice and slow and be patient.....yes????






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