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New system, plethora of BSODs one RSOD with no resolve.


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#1 Ordosis

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 02:54 PM

Windows 10 64x Home edition OEM
The entire PC is only a week old. It's a custom build, but assembled by the company where I bought the parts.
 
CPU:  AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.20 Ghz
Video card: Radeon RX 580 GAMING X+ 8G
Motherboard: B350M GAMING PRO, socket AM4
Power: Sharkoon WPM500 500watt bronze cert.
System Manufacturer: MSI (custom build)
Memory: 2x 8gig corsair vengeance DDR4 2133Mhz (Timings set: XMP 13-15-15-28).
 
All of the problems seem to occur while playing games (mostly memory_management), especially Mankind Divided whether directx11 or 12; high settings or low settings. And now recently I got an RSOD on playing ARMA 3 on Ultra settings (I wanted to stress test) after about 30 minutes of gaming.
 
I did not yet had the chance to do a memtest, but I ran prime95 on full load for a few hours and no anomalies occured. 
 
Furthermore:
 
- All temps stayed well below critical levels.
- chkdsk gave no problems
- Drive verifier ran 2 times giving me a problem with MSI Ram drive and Daemon tools lite, both apps were removed. The problem stayed, didn't ran driver verifier again seeming that maybe it gives false positives due to some other problem.
- the AMD overdrive BSOD I already solved by uninstallin, probably incompatible software.
- Perfmon somehow got stuck at collecting data, so I can only provide the Sysnative file collection.
 
I really someone can help me out, because I'm afraid returning the machine will be more of a hassle than fixing what I suspect to be a crappy driver of sorts or a some incompatibility with the new hardware and windows 10. But I'm not that tech savvy.
 
Anyhow, thanks in advance!
 
 
Edit: Forgot to add, I tried updating all my hardware drivers to the latest. But maybe I'm missing something.

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 04:07 PM

Your UEFI/BIOS (version 2.60) dates from 2017.  Please check at the manufacturer's website to see if there are any UEFI/BIOS updates available for your system.  This is just in case there has been a more recent update.
FYI - W8 and W10 communicate more with the UEFI/BIOS than previous versions of Windows, so it's important to ensure that the UEFI/BIOS is kept up to date (and that outdated UEFI/BIOS' may be the cause of some compatibility issues).

Only 5 Windows Update hotfixes installed.  Most build 14393 (1607) systems have more than this.  Please visit Windows Update and get ALL available Windows Updates.
The actual number is not important.  Rather it's important that you checked manually, installed any available updates, and didn't experience any errors when checking or updating.

You have a Realtek RTL8188EU Wireless LAN 802.11n USB 2.0 Network Adapter:

I do not recommend using wireless USB network devices.
These wireless USB devices have many issues with Win7 and later systems - using older drivers with them is almost certain to cause a BSOD.
Should you want to keep using these devices, be sure to have the latest W10 drivers - DO NOT use older drivers!!!
An installable wireless PCI/PCIe card that's plugged into your motherboard is much more robust, reliable, and powerful.

 

I've included information about the AMD Overdrive and Daemon Tools (even though you stated that you'd uninstalled them).

Please ensure that you have followed all of the steps that I suggest below.

Also, please leave the MSI RAM drive software uninstalled until we're finished troubleshooting

All of these are known to cause BSOD's on some Windows systems.

AMD OverDrive (AODDriver2.sys or AODDriver4.1) is either a stand-alone application, or a component of the AMD VISION Engine Control Center.  This driver is known to cause BSOD's on some Windows systems.

 

NOTE:  these symptoms were from the previous release of OverDrive.  The new release uses the same driver name, but is dated from 4 November 2013.

 

Please un-install all AMD/ATI video stuff from Control Panel...Programs...Un-install a program.
Please note that I stated "video stuff", as some integrated processors may have the graphics chip built in (which may involve the chipset software).
Then, download (but DO NOT install) a fresh copy of the ATI drivers from http://www.amd.com (in the upper right corner of the page)
Use this procedure to install the DRIVER ONLYhttp://www.sysnative.com/forums/showthread.php/668-ATI-video-cards-DRIVER-ONLY-installation-procedure

If the device (AODDriver or AODDriver4.01, etc) remains a problem, open Device Manager, select the "View" item.
Then select "Show hidden devices" and scroll down to the Non-Plug and Play Drivers section.
Locate the AODDriver entry, right click on it and select "Un-install".  Reboot for changes to take affect.

Sometimes the entry will remain in Device Manager even though you've removed it.  So, open up Device Manager and check for the AODDriver4.2.0 (it may have another number).  Right click on it and select "Uninstall".  If it asks to remove software, put a check in the box.  Then click on OK.

Sometimes the driver remains and continues to cause BSOD's.  If this is the case for you, post back and we'll give further instructions for safely removing it.

If overclocking, please stop. Remove the overclock and return the system to stock/standard values while we're troubleshooting. Once the system is stable again, feel free to resume the overclocking.


Daemon Tools (and Alcohol % software) are known to cause BSOD's on some Windows systems (mostly due to the sptd.sys driver, although I have seen both dtsoftbus01.sys and dtscsibus.sys blamed on several occasions).

 

Please un-install the program, then use the following free tool to ensure that the troublesome sptd.sys driver is removed from your system (pick the 32 or 64 bit system depending on your system's configuration):  New link (15 Aug 2012):  http://www.duplexsecure.com/downloads (pick the appropriate version for your system and select "Un-install" when you run it).
Alternate link:  http://www.disc-tools.com/download/sptd
Manual procedure here:  http://daemonpro-help.com/en/problems_and_solutions/registry_and_sptd_problems.html

NOTE:  The uninstaller may not find the SPTD.sys driver.  Don't worry about it, just let us know in your post.
NOTE2:  The latest version has an SPTD2.sys driver - the uninstaller is on the same page as the SPTD.sys driver - just download the version for W10!

 

Out of 18 memory dumps there were 8 different BSOD  (aka STOP or BugCheck) error codes.  The differing error codes are usually symptomatic of a lower level problem within the system. They are usually caused by one of these things (the list is not in any sort of order):
- borked (broken) hardware (several different procedures used to isolate the problem device)
- BIOS issues (check for updates at the motherboard manufacturer's website)
- overclocking/overheating - You'll know if you're overclocking or not. If uncertain we can suggest things to check.
- dirt/dust/hair/fur/crud inside the case.  Blow out the case/vents with canned air (DO NOT use an air compressor or vacuum as they can cause damage to the system)
- missing Windows Updates
- compatibility issues (3rd party hardware/drivers), older systems, or even pirated systems
- low-level driver problems
- or even malware (scanned for when we ask for hardware diagnostics from http://www.carrona.org/initdiag.html or http://www.carrona.org/hwdiag.html ).

Please get a head start on the hardware diagnostics - they are located here:  http://www.carrona.org/hwdiag.html
Please finish ALL of them and let us know the results

Just FYI - there are usually several different versions of the NTIOLib_X64.sys driver on systems with the MSI software installed.
And those drivers are known to cause BSOD's on some Windows systems.

For example, even though you uninstalled the NTIOLib_X64.sys for the RAM drive, that driver still shows up in your latest dump file.

Search the system for NTIOLib_X64.sys - and find the one's in the MSI folders.  Uninstall those applications in order to uninstall the NTIOLib_X64.sys drivers

 

Your mouse driver (t_mouse.sys) dates from 2012 and may not be compatible w/W10.
I'd suggest uninstalling it and using the built in Windows drivers.

 

 t_mouse.sys                 Mon Dec  3 01:19:30 2012 (50BC4472)
iBall Advanced Mouse driver http://www.iball.co.in/Download.aspx
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=t_mouse.sys

 

Finally, after all of the above is done, if the system still BSOD's please run Driver Verifier according to these instructions:  http://www.carrona.org/verifier.html

 

 

Analysis:
The following is for information purposes only. The following information contains the relevant information from the blue screen analysis:
**************************Tue May 23 15:19:31.342 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\john\SysnativeBSODApps\052317-4171-01.dmp]
Windows 10 Kernel Version 14393 MP (12 procs) Free x64
Built by: 14393.1198.amd64fre.rs1_release_sec.170427-1353
System Uptime:0 days 4:09:12.999
Probably caused by :dxgmms2.sys ( dxgmms2!VIDMM_PAGE_TABLE_BASE::IsResident+0 )
BugCheck 1000007E, {ffffffffc0000005, fffff804be0d2050, ffffd100dd9bb3a8, ffffd100dd9babd0}
BugCheck Info: SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED_M (1000007e)
Arguments:
Arg1: ffffffffc0000005, The exception code that was not handled
Arg2: fffff804be0d2050, The address that the exception occurred at
Arg3: ffffd100dd9bb3a8, Exception Record Address
Arg4: ffffd100dd9babd0, Context Record Address
PROCESS_NAME:  System
BUGCHECK_STR:  AV
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  WIN8_DRIVER_FAULT
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: AV_dxgmms2!VIDMM_PAGE_TABLE_BASE::IsResident
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Tue May 23 11:09:17.780 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\john\SysnativeBSODApps\052317-4234-01.dmp]
Windows 10 Kernel Version 14393 MP (12 procs) Free x64
Built by: 14393.1198.amd64fre.rs1_release_sec.170427-1353
System Uptime:0 days 5:42:37.438
Probably caused by :memory_corruption ( nt!MiGetPageProtection+3c2 )
BugCheck 1A, {41201, fffff98000058290, ee60000170390867, ffffe28106e7e730}
BugCheck Info: MEMORY_MANAGEMENT (1a)
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000041201, The subtype of the bugcheck.
Arg2: fffff98000058290
Arg3: ee60000170390867
Arg4: ffffe28106e7e730
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x1a_41201
PROCESS_NAME:  DXMD.exe
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: 0x1a_41201_nt!MiGetPageProtection
  BIOS Version                  2.60
  BIOS Release Date             04/28/2017
  Manufacturer                  MSI
  Product Name                  MS-7A39
  Baseboard Product             B350M GAMING PRO (MS-7A39)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Tue May 23 04:14:27.111 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\john\SysnativeBSODApps\052317-4281-01.dmp]
Windows 10 Kernel Version 14393 MP (12 procs) Free x64
Built by: 14393.1198.amd64fre.rs1_release_sec.170427-1353
System Uptime:0 days 0:00:25.768
Probably caused by :memory_corruption
BugCheck A, {30, 2, 0, fffff803f286ed5b}
BugCheck Info: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (a)
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000000030, memory referenced
Arg2: 0000000000000002, IRQL
Arg3: 0000000000000000, bitfield :
    bit 0 : value 0 = read operation, 1 = write operation
    bit 3 : value 0 = not an execute operation, 1 = execute operation (only on chips which support this level of status)
Arg4: fffff803f286ed5b, address which referenced memory
BUGCHECK_STR:  AV
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  CODE_CORRUPTION
PROCESS_NAME:  explorer.exe
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: MEMORY_CORRUPTION_LARGE
  BIOS Version                  2.60
  BIOS Release Date             04/28/2017
  Manufacturer                  MSI
  Product Name                  MS-7A39
  Baseboard Product             B350M GAMING PRO (MS-7A39)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
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The following is for information purposes only. My recommendations were given above. The drivers that follow belong to software or devices that were not developed by Microsoft.  You can find links to the driver information and where to update the drivers in the section after the code box:

**************************Tue May 23 15:19:31.342 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
t_mouse.sys                 Mon Dec  3 01:19:30 2012 (50BC4472)
amdgpio3.sys                Mon Mar 14 06:19:36 2016 (56E69038)
rtwlanu.sys                 Fri Apr  1 04:11:07 2016 (56FE2D1B)
rt640x64.sys                Thu Jul 14 05:04:28 2016 (5787559C)
amdgpio2.sys                Tue Aug  9 06:05:07 2016 (57A9AAD3)
amdpsp.sys                  Tue Dec  6 11:53:23 2016 (5846ED03)
BEDaisy.sys                 Tue Jan 10 22:01:10 2017 (58759FF6)
AMDRyzenMasterDriver.sys    Tue Jan 31 05:12:42 2017 (5890631A)
NTIOLib_X64.sys             Thu Mar  9 22:05:00 2017 (58C217DC)
AtihdWT6.sys                Sat Mar 25 17:04:05 2017 (58D6DB45)
RTKVHD64.sys                Tue Mar 28 09:33:44 2017 (58DA6638)
atikmpag.sys                Wed May 17 15:25:01 2017 (591CA38D)
atikmdag.sys                Wed May 17 16:04:47 2017 (591CACDF)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Mon May 22 16:57:37.976 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
dtliteusbbus.sys            Mon Dec 28 08:05:52 2015 (568133B0)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Mon May 22 16:05:12.548 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
dtlitescsibus.sys           Thu Sep 24 16:17:21 2015 (56045A51)
atikmpag.sys                Mon Apr 24 20:57:35 2017 (58FE9EFF)
atikmdag.sys                Mon Apr 24 21:11:16 2017 (58FEA234)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Sun May 21 15:35:00.054 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
I2cHkBurn.sys               Mon Feb 17 20:34:54 2014 (5302B8BE)
cfosspeed6.sys              Fri Nov 11 05:27:52 2016 (58259D28)
NTIOLib_X64.sys             Wed Mar  8 02:31:44 2017 (58BFB360)
NTIOLib_X64.sys             Wed Mar 15 05:37:03 2017 (58C90B3F)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Sat May 20 15:58:55.336 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
ramdriv.sys                 Thu Mar 10 03:00:44 2016 (56E129AC)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Fri May 19 09:50:38.667 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
NTIOLib_X64.sys             Wed Oct 20 02:45:49 2010 (4CBE901D)
AODDriver2.sys              Tue Oct 29 20:58:36 2013 (527059BC)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Wed May 17 15:25:52.515 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
rt640x64.sys                Thu Jan 21 03:17:40 2016 (56A09424)
RTKVHD64.sys                Tue Dec  6 06:23:15 2016 (58469FA3)

http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=t_mouse.sys
amdgpio3.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=rtwlanu.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=rt640x64.sys
amdgpio2.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
amdpsp.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=BEDaisy.sys
AMDRyzenMasterDriver.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=NTIOLib_X64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=AtihdWT6.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=RTKVHD64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmpag.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmdag.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=dtliteusbbus.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=dtlitescsibus.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmpag.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmdag.sys
I2cHkBurn.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=cfosspeed6.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=NTIOLib_X64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=NTIOLib_X64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=ramdriv.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=NTIOLib_X64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=AODDriver2.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=rt640x64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=RTKVHD64.sys
 


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:34 AM

First of all many thanks for the quick and thorough reply. 

 

Unfortunately the BSODs while playing 3d games, especially but not exclusively with Mankind Divided, remain. The following is a list of things I did or tried to do and I have attached a new sysnative collection.

 

- BIOS is most recent
- Updated Windows 10, it seemed I totally missed a big W10 upgrade (I'm new to W10), I checked that I'm fully updated. 
- Updated USB Wlan driver after removing all traces of the previous. I ran driver verifier a few times out of curiosity, so the BSOD's concerning the realtek driver aren't there any more. Though I did disable my wlan for now and going to switch to a pci-e card soon.
- Removed all AMD/Ati "video stuff", installed the latest video card driver only.
- Tried to remove sptd.sys driver but was not found.
- Removed all applications related and/or using NTIOLib.X64.sys
- ran memtest for full 8 passes, gave no errors
- SSD checked with manufacturers tool (Samsung Magician), no errors.
- Ran furmark, temps didn't go above 70ºC, system stayed stable, no artifacts.
- t_mouse.sys seems to be part of the "HID-compliand device" drivers, yet my mouse shows up as seperate "HID-mouse" with different drivers. Removing the first removes the latter. Letting Win10 pick up the hardware anew just results in the same setup. 
Cannot find any updates or other proper drivers for my run of the mill optical mouse.
- malware scanners came clean.
 
Driver_verifier is currently running: ran this several times which gave the realtek wlan error, removed reinstalled. Driver verifier now boots without problem. First BSOD occured after playing a completely new game (Dishonored 2) for 30 min, than started Mankind Divided which gave an immediate crash PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED concerning the file FLTMGR.sys. After reboot started Mankind Divided again and after 30 minutes it crashed showing FAULTY_HARDWARE_CORRUPTED_PAGE, of which I couldn't find any minidump.
 
Anyhow, I hope this makes any sense to you because I haven't got a clue what could be the culprit. Hope you can point me to a proper fix. 

Thanks again.
 
Attached File  SysnativeFileCollectionApp.zip   1.07MB   2 downloads

 

 



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Posted 27 May 2017 - 09:01 AM

Still looking at a probably hardware problem (4 different BSOD errors out of the last 8 BSOD's).

Have you run all of the hardware diagnostics that I suggested?  http://www.carrona.org/hwdiag.html

- did you test the USB hard drive?

- did you run the other video tests?

- did you run the CPU tests?

- did you run Prime95?  I would suggest running the Blend test, then Small FFT's test, and the Large FFT's tests in order to be thorough.

 

The last 2 Driver Verifier memory dumps blame rtwlanu.sys (the driver for your USB wifi device).

I don't know how significant that is, as you stated that you'd updated the drivers AFTER they were updated.

Still, I'd try the following just in case there is a problem with the USB device.

I would suggest:

- uninstalling the software for that device

- physically removing the device from your system

- testing either without internet, or by using a wired connection while testing.

 

Finally, if none of this works, then I'd suggest trying this:  http://www.carrona.org/strpdown.html

Good luck!

 

Analysis:
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**************************Fri May 26 05:58:32.663 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\john\SysnativeBSODApps\052617-6281-01.dmp]
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for ntoskrnl.exe
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ntoskrnl.exe
Windows 10 Kernel Version 15063 MP (12 procs) Free x64
System Uptime:0 days 0:30:46.363
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for ntoskrnl.exe
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ntoskrnl.exe
Probably caused by :ntoskrnl.wrong.symbols.exe ( nt_wrong_symbols!591FD902889000 )
BugCheck 50, {ffff868b792b0f78, 0, fffff803e5782ebb, 2}
BugCheck Info: PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA (50)
Arguments:
Arg1: ffff868b792b0f78, memory referenced.
Arg2: 0000000000000000, value 0 = read operation, 1 = write operation.
Arg3: fffff803e5782ebb, If non-zero, the instruction address which referenced the bad memory
    address.
Arg4: 0000000000000002, (reserved)
BUGCHECK_STR:  591FD902
PROCESS_NAME:  ntoskrnl.wrong.symbols.exe
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: WRONG_SYMBOLS_X64_TIMESTAMP_170520-054954_591FD902_nt_wrong_symbols!591FD902889000
  BIOS Version                  2.60
  BIOS Release Date             04/28/2017
  Manufacturer                  MSI
  Product Name                  MS-7A39
  Baseboard Product             B350M GAMING PRO (MS-7A39)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Thu May 25 20:25:31.535 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\john\SysnativeBSODApps\052617-5187-01.dmp]
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for ntoskrnl.exe
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ntoskrnl.exe
Windows 10 Kernel Version 15063 MP (12 procs) Free x64
System Uptime:0 days 0:44:00.169
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for ntoskrnl.exe
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ntoskrnl.exe
Probably caused by :ntoskrnl.wrong.symbols.exe ( nt_wrong_symbols!591FD902889000 )
BugCheck 50, {ffffa7064cddad48, 0, fffff80148f56a73, 2}
BugCheck Info: PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA (50)
Arguments:
Arg1: ffffa7064cddad48, memory referenced.
Arg2: 0000000000000000, value 0 = read operation, 1 = write operation.
Arg3: fffff80148f56a73, If non-zero, the instruction address which referenced the bad memory
    address.
Arg4: 0000000000000002, (reserved)
BUGCHECK_STR:  591FD902
PROCESS_NAME:  ntoskrnl.wrong.symbols.exe
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: WRONG_SYMBOLS_X64_TIMESTAMP_170520-054954_591FD902_nt_wrong_symbols!591FD902889000
  BIOS Version                  2.60
  BIOS Release Date             04/28/2017
  Manufacturer                  MSI
  Product Name                  MS-7A39
  Baseboard Product             B350M GAMING PRO (MS-7A39)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Thu May 25 19:03:16.671 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\john\SysnativeBSODApps\052617-5093-01.dmp]
Windows 10 Kernel Version 15063 MP (12 procs) Free x64
System Uptime:0 days 0:20:11.304
Probably caused by :memory_corruption ( nt!MiGetPageProtection+130201 )
BugCheck 1A, {41201, ffff820000032068, 81000001b57d8867, ffffe086ebb9d0a0}
BugCheck Info: MEMORY_MANAGEMENT (1a)
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000041201, The subtype of the bugcheck.
Arg2: ffff820000032068
Arg3: 81000001b57d8867
Arg4: ffffe086ebb9d0a0
BUGCHECK_STR:  0x1a_41201
PROCESS_NAME:  DXMD.exe
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: 0x1a_41201_nt!MiGetPageProtection
  BIOS Version                  2.60
  BIOS Release Date             04/28/2017
  Manufacturer                  MSI
  Product Name                  MS-7A39
  Baseboard Product             B350M GAMING PRO (MS-7A39)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
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The following is for information purposes only. My recommendations were given above. The drivers that follow belong to software or devices that were not developed by Microsoft.  You can find links to the driver information and where to update the drivers in the section after the code box:

**************************Fri May 26 05:58:32.663 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
t_mouse.sys                  Mon Dec  3 01:19:30 2012 (50BC4472)
HWiNFO64A.SYS                Tue Mar 31 05:51:32 2015 (551A6E24)
amdgpio3.sys                 Mon Mar 14 06:19:36 2016 (56E69038)
rt640x64.sys                 Thu Jul 14 05:04:28 2016 (5787559C)
amdgpio2.sys                 Tue Aug  9 06:05:07 2016 (57A9AAD3)
amdpsp.sys                   Tue Dec  6 11:53:23 2016 (5846ED03)
AtihdWT6.sys                 Sat Mar 25 17:04:05 2017 (58D6DB45)
RTKVHD64.sys                 Tue Mar 28 09:33:44 2017 (58DA6638)
atikmpag.sys                 Mon Apr 24 20:57:35 2017 (58FE9EFF)
atikmdag.sys                 Mon Apr 24 21:11:16 2017 (58FEA234)
SleepStudyHelper.sys         ***** Invalid 2023 Invalid 2023 Invalid
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Thu May 25 20:25:31.535 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
OpenHardwareMonitorLib.sys   Sat Jul 26 09:29:37 2008 (488B26C1)
intelide.sys                 Sun Dec  7 00:16:35 2008 (493B5C33)
rtwlanu.sys                  Tue Nov 15 11:34:02 2016 (582B38FA)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Thu May 25 18:25:07.859 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
rtwlanu.sys                  Thu Dec 10 03:04:53 2015 (56693225)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Thu May 25 07:31:33.388 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
atikmpag.sys                 Wed May 17 15:25:01 2017 (591CA38D)
atikmdag.sys                 Wed May 17 16:04:47 2017 (591CACDF)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Tue May 23 15:19:31.342 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
rtwlanu.sys                  Fri Apr  1 04:11:07 2016 (56FE2D1B)
BEDaisy.sys                  Tue Jan 10 22:01:10 2017 (58759FF6)
AMDRyzenMasterDriver.sys     Tue Jan 31 05:12:42 2017 (5890631A)
NTIOLib_X64.sys              Thu Mar  9 22:05:00 2017 (58C217DC)


http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=t_mouse.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=HWiNFO64A.SYS
amdgpio3.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=rt640x64.sys
amdgpio2.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
amdpsp.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=AtihdWT6.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=RTKVHD64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmpag.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmdag.sys
SleepStudyHelper.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
OpenHardwareMonitorLib.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=intelide.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=rtwlanu.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=rtwlanu.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmpag.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmdag.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=rtwlanu.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=BEDaisy.sys
AMDRyzenMasterDriver.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=NTIOLib_X64.sys
 
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Posted 27 May 2017 - 02:59 PM

Hi Usasma,

 

First of all, let me say I'm impressed at the immense support you give on this board. Well appreciated!

 

Secondly, I did all the hardware test you mention on your site with no errors. Besides furmark, which at first ran clean, but no steadily gave a random bsod. Out of utter frustration I decided to go with a clean install of windows 10, update all drivers with windows automatic update. Did a clean update of the videocard drivers.

 

Than ran one of the games that normally gave a bsod and ran furmark. Now both give consistent bsods, see the attachment. So does that mean it's my videocard failing? Yet all temps and clocks are all normaly (temp doesn't go above 75 degrees). Or is it possible that my hardware is to recent for proper drivers. I'm a bit lost here.

 

Thanks in advance.

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 05:08 AM

Late for work, but wanted to make this post.

 

If the problem continues even after a reinstall, it's most likely hardware (compatibility can still be an issue, but is less likely on newer, up to date hardware)

Since you've already run all of these diagnostics:  http://www.carrona.org/hwdiag.html

Then the next step is this procedure:  http://www.carrona.org/strpdown.html

 

Will try to post the results of the BSOD analysis later on today.


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 06:52 AM

Many thanks again for your swift reply. Seeing that hardware-problems have become more likely, I decided to contact the company that build my pc seeing that I'm still within the warranty period.

 

If any informative comes up I'll post an update, otherwise my question can be marked as unresolved but the advice was more than satisfactory. Thanks!



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Posted 28 May 2017 - 01:04 PM

Ok, now I'm flabbergasted. Somehow the completely new game Prey runs without error, which is odd because the BSODs only occur when playing 3d games or doing a gpu benchmark.

 

Maybe I just got unlucky and do I have to wait for proper updates... :|



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Posted 29 May 2017 - 04:54 AM

Sorry for the delay in posting - bad day at work :(

 

BSOD's are sometimes complicated.

Most often the company that built the computer would like you to run some diagnostics.

Then they'll ask you to wipe the computer and reinstall the OS using their recovery media.

If the errors persist after that, then they'll take steps to fix/replace it under the warranty.

 

Both of the memory dumps show 0x0000007E (more info on this here:  http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x0000007E)

As you can see from the link I provided, there are a lot of different problems associated with this error.

 

Analysis:
The following is for information purposes only. The following information contains the relevant information from the blue screen analysis:
*************************Sat May 27 15:19:04.814 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\john\SysnativeBSODApps\052717-5140-01.dmp]
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ntoskrnl.exe
Windows 10 Kernel Version 15063 MP (12 procs) Free x64
Built by: 15063.0.amd64fre.rs2_release.170317-1834
System Uptime:0 days 0:12:08.447
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ntoskrnl.exe
Probably caused by :ntoskrnl.wrong.symbols.exe ( nt_wrong_symbols!591FD902889000 )
BugCheck 1000007E, {ffffffffc0000005, fffff80c812027c0, ffffc001794b93a8, ffffc001794b8be0}
BugCheck Info: SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED_M (1000007e)
Arguments:
Arg1: ffffffffc0000005, The exception code that was not handled
Arg2: fffff80c812027c0, The address that the exception occurred at
Arg3: ffffc001794b93a8, Exception Record Address
Arg4: ffffc001794b8be0, Context Record Address
BUGCHECK_STR:  591FD902
PROCESS_NAME:  ntoskrnl.wrong.symbols.exe
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: WRONG_SYMBOLS_X64_15063.0.amd64fre.rs2_release.170317-1834_TIMESTAMP_170520-054954_591FD902_nt_wrong_symbols!591FD902889000
  BIOS Version                  2.60
  BIOS Release Date             04/28/2017
  Manufacturer                  MSI
  Product Name                  MS-7A39
  Baseboard Product             B350M GAMING PRO (MS-7A39)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Sat May 27 14:24:05.775 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
Loading Dump File [C:\Users\john\SysnativeBSODApps\052717-7312-01.dmp]
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ntoskrnl.exe
Windows 10 Kernel Version 15063 MP (12 procs) Free x64
Built by: 15063.0.amd64fre.rs2_release.170317-1834
System Uptime:0 days 0:34:55.407
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ntoskrnl.exe
Probably caused by :ntoskrnl.wrong.symbols.exe ( nt_wrong_symbols!591FD902889000 )
BugCheck 1000007E, {ffffffffc0000005, fffff8007c4027c0, ffff828023e773a8, ffff828023e76be0}
BugCheck Info: SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED_M (1000007e)
Arguments:
Arg1: ffffffffc0000005, The exception code that was not handled
Arg2: fffff8007c4027c0, The address that the exception occurred at
Arg3: ffff828023e773a8, Exception Record Address
Arg4: ffff828023e76be0, Context Record Address
BUGCHECK_STR:  591FD902
PROCESS_NAME:  ntoskrnl.wrong.symbols.exe
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: WRONG_SYMBOLS_X64_15063.0.amd64fre.rs2_release.170317-1834_TIMESTAMP_170520-054954_591FD902_nt_wrong_symbols!591FD902889000
  BIOS Version                  2.60
  BIOS Release Date             04/28/2017
  Manufacturer                  MSI
  Product Name                  MS-7A39
  Baseboard Product             B350M GAMING PRO (MS-7A39)
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``


3rd Party Drivers:
The following is for information purposes only. My recommendations were given above. The drivers that follow belong to software or devices that were not developed by Microsoft.  You can find links to the driver information and where to update the drivers in the section after the code box:

**************************Sat May 27 15:19:04.814 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
t_mouse.sys                 Mon Dec  3 01:19:30 2012 (50BC4472)
amdgpio3.sys                Mon Mar 14 06:19:36 2016 (56E69038)
rt640x64.sys                Thu Jul 14 05:04:28 2016 (5787559C)
amdgpio2.sys                Tue Aug  9 06:05:07 2016 (57A9AAD3)
rtwlanu.sys                 Tue Nov 15 11:34:02 2016 (582B38FA)
amdpsp.sys                  Tue Dec  6 11:53:23 2016 (5846ED03)
AtihdWT6.sys                Sat Mar 25 17:04:05 2017 (58D6DB45)
RTKVHD64.sys                Tue Mar 28 09:33:44 2017 (58DA6638)
atikmpag.sys                Mon Apr 24 20:57:35 2017 (58FE9EFF)
atikmdag.sys                Mon Apr 24 21:11:16 2017 (58FEA234)
SleepStudyHelper.sys        ***** Invalid 2023 Invalid 2023 Invalid
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨``
**************************Sat May 27 14:24:05.775 2017 (UTC - 4:00)**************************
AtihdWT6.sys                Tue Sep 20 19:17:24 2016 (57E1C384)


http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=t_mouse.sys
amdgpio3.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=rt640x64.sys
amdgpio2.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=rtwlanu.sys
amdpsp.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=AtihdWT6.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=RTKVHD64.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmpag.sys
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=atikmdag.sys
SleepStudyHelper.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=AtihdWT6.sys
 
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Posted 29 May 2017 - 05:55 AM

Just compared the drivers that appear in each of the series of memory dumps that you've submitted.

These tend to repeat in each of the memory dumps:

 

t_mouse.sys                 Mon Dec  3 01:19:30 2012 (50BC4472)
amdgpio3.sys                Mon Mar 14 06:19:36 2016 (56E69038)
rt640x64.sys                Thu Jul 14 05:04:28 2016 (5787559C)
amdgpio2.sys                Tue Aug  9 06:05:07 2016 (57A9AAD3)
amdpsp.sys                  Tue Dec  6 11:53:23 2016 (5846ED03)
AtihdWT6.sys                Sat Mar 25 17:04:05 2017 (58D6DB45)
RTKVHD64.sys                Tue Mar 28 09:33:44 2017 (58DA6638)
atikmpag.sys                Mon Apr 24 20:57:35 2017 (58FE9EFF)
atikmdag.sys                Mon Apr 24 21:11:16 2017 (58FEA234)
SleepStudyHelper.sys        ***** Invalid 2023 Invalid 2023 Invalid

I included the SleepStudyHelper.sys driver as it started to appear once you updated to the Creators Update.

 

In general, hardware issues tend to throw random errors (most times).

So this is unusual - and we'll want to look at it further.

Please run Driver Verifier according to these instructions:  http://www.carrona.org/verifier.html


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