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#1 Planemaster2

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 12:11 PM

Quite a while back, I mentioned I was going to be building a new PC. I made a whole thread on it stating what I needed an what my budget was and came up with a pretty good i5 build. Now, I meant to say I was going to wait for the Ryzen 5's to come out but of course, being me, I didn't and I guess it was assumed I'd built it already. Here is the topic: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/641384/basic-photoshop-rig-opinions-needed/

 

 

Now that they've come out, nothing has changed. Budget is the same as are the uses (£700 with some Photoshop in mind). So far, I've come up with this:

 
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£157.96 @ Kustom PCs) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£79.15 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£51.99 @ Ebuyer) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GT 730 2GB Video Card  (£51.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Fractal Design - Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£43.53 @ Amazon UK) 
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer  (£18.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit  (£99.49 @ Scan.co.uk) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  (£26.95 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £620.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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As much as I'd like to, I can't really wait for the R3's to come out so it better be quick. What I need is a good MLC drive which is available in the UK (the Sandisk X110 isn't unfortunately) and will fit into the budget (preferably below £700). I hope the GT 730 is fine for Photoshop use. No gaming will be involved so I don't need anything incredibly fast.

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#2 Drillingmachine

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 12:46 PM

Photoshop will likely benefit from fast SSD, so I recommend this one https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/rxPzK8/adata-xpg-sx8000-256gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-asx8000np-256gm-c

1xx GB SSD's are usually much slower than 2xx GB ones.

Another choice here https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/YXkwrH/plextor-m8pe-256gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-px-256m8pegn

Edited by Drillingmachine, 11 May 2017 - 12:49 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:05 PM

Thank you Drilling, I've edited the parts list but it goes to £700, is there anywhere which you could cut a bit off the price to bring it down a bit or will anything else sacrifice performance?

 

 
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£158.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£79.15 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£51.99 @ Ebuyer) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8000 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£79.63 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GT 730 2GB Video Card  (£51.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Fractal Design - Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£43.53 @ Amazon UK) 
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer  (£18.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  (£26.95 @ Amazon UK) 
Other: Windows 10 (£98.49)
Total: £700.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Preferably down to the £660 - £670 mark if possible.


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:18 PM

Something to cut price? About only options are mATX motherboard and even cheaper video card. Everything else is already about cheapest that make sense.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:42 PM



Something to cut price? About only options are mATX motherboard and even cheaper video card. Everything else is already about cheapest that make sense.

 

How does a PM961 sound for an SSD? 

 

 
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£158.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£79.15 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£51.99 @ Ebuyer) 
Storage: Samsung - PM961 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£64.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GT 730 2GB Video Card  (£51.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Fractal Design - Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£43.53 @ Amazon UK) 
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer  (£18.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  (£26.95 @ Amazon UK) 
Other: Windows 10 (£98.49)
Total: £685.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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It's a little cheaper and certainly helps.


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:59 PM

That's TLC. Depending on what you are willing to do with Photoshop, 128GB is very little for OS, programs and Photoshop use. I'm quite sure you will regret if you get only 12x GB SSD.

If you cannot afford 2xx GB M.2 drive, this is cheapest I can recommend https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/8jH48d/sandisk-ssd-plus-240gb-25-solid-state-drive-sdssda-240g-g26

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 02:05 PM

The only programs are Windows 10, Photoshop, Open Office and Chrome. It's mainly for Photoshop which takes ages to load on a 5400 RPM HDD


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 02:12 PM

And what are you doing with Photoshop? So like if you open stuff at Photoshop, those scratch files you handle must go somewhere. That is either RAM and/or hard disk/SSD. If there is no enough space on SSD, prepare for slow swapping.

So that 128GB SSD is good for somewhat casual Photoshop use. Another thing is that PM961 is TLC drive and you probably will get lot of writes there. So that 128GB drive will wear out fast.

You know better what is "medium Photoshop use" but considering what it "usually means", I still recommend 240GB SSD.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 02:29 PM

It's mostly for editing .raw files which are much larger than say a .jpeg. With the SSD Plus, I've heard negative things about it and it has a low endurance rating (80 TBW). Windows 10 and Photoshop take up 50GB each. Open Office takes up 320 MB and I can't imagine the other web browsers to take up much space. The computer is primarily for Photoshop and web browsing so it leaves 50 - 60 GB of space taking everything into account. I should be able to reserve scratch spac on the SSD I hope (unless it doesn't work like that). In the meantime, I found an MLC SSD that is M.2. which would work for my parents needs https://www.scan.co.uk/products/128gb-scanfx-sm961-polaris-m2-nvme-mlc-v-nand-m2-ssd-pcie-30-x4-read-3100mb-sec-write-700mb-sec-330k

 

This is it currently

 

 
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£158.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£79.15 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Corsair - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£57.20 @ Ebuyer) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GT 730 2GB Video Card  (£51.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Fractal Design - Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£43.53 @ Amazon UK) 
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer  (£18.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  (£26.95 @ Amazon UK) 
Other: Windows 10 (£98.49)
Other: SM961 (£67.99)
Total: £692.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Edited by Planemaster2, 11 May 2017 - 02:29 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 03:50 PM

OK, if you're sure that 128GB is enough, then go with that setup. There is no TBW rating for SM961 though.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 08:48 PM

Unfortunately prices have risen significantly over the last year on more or less everything PC related (in the UK at least). Memory in particular is pricey at the moment.  If you really wanted to drop the price, I would consider swapping the CPU for a Pentium G4600, dump the video card (HD 630 graphics are probably slightly faster than the GT 730). and use that to invest more in the SSD and memory. If you Google for Windows OEM keys, you can pick one up for a lot less than retail boxes through re-sellers (legal in Europe).


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:31 PM

I mainly went on the basis that the SM961 is well reviewed and MLC.

And how would Photoshop run on the G4600? It's got be much much faster than a 21.5 inch iMac with an i5 5250U per request. Memory wise, I feel like it's fine to stick with 8GB now and if it shows issues with the memory, another 8GB can be purchased within a couple of months. I also don't see the point in a larger SSD if there's enough space on it for the applications needed. As long as I reserve some scratch space on it, the 1TB HDD should be enough for non important programs.

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 12:16 AM

I should think it'll run fine.  It's faster than an i5-5250U.   It won't have the rendering power of the Ryzen, but for most desktop stuff, not sure you'd notice the difference.  I mention because I suspect most Photoshop use for most people is IMHO more memory intensive (when working with high megapixel RAW images) than CPU intensive.  If doing for example, large scale batch processing, a lot of filters, etc. etc. then that would likely benefit from a faster CPU, but that's I guess more in line with the workload of a professional photo studio rather than amateur photographers.

 

I do think that the R5 system would be more powerful overall, but unfortunately at this time prices aren't the best. Here's one with a few tweaks here and there - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6VhHjc


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Posted 12 May 2017 - 01:58 AM

Thank you jonuk. I'll keep that build in mind and present both to my parents and see what their opinions are as well.




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