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#1 SomewhereLost

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 08:56 PM

Hi there,

 

I got quite a dilemma over here. Can't decide with which PC to go first as the selling price are same.

 

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*PROCESSOR :Intel i7 4770K Haswell 4x 3.9GHz turbo
 
*CPU Cooler: Corsair Water Cooler (Liquid hydro series cooler)
 
*PC CASE: Game Max Falcon with 5x 120mm led fans 
 
*MEMORY : 16GB DDR3 Ram or more
 
*GRAPHICS CARD : GTX970 GDDR5 
 
*Motherboard : MSI B85M-E45
 
*WIFI CARD : 300Mbps with two antenna
 
*Bluetooth Connectivity 
 
*OPTICAL DRIVE: LG DVD/RW Burner Drive or for extra Blu-ray one 
 
*HARD DRIVE: SSD 256GB Solid State Drive and 2TB HDD
 
*PSU: Corsair PSU 750W
 
 
 
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case: NZXT Phanton 820 black with built in fan controller & nzxt hue rgb lighting + cardreader mint condition heres a link below
 
mobo: Republic of Gamers Maximus VII Ranger socket 1150 with onboard HD graphics & audio with box & accessories
 
cpu: Intel i7 4790k quadcore 8 threads 4ghz running at 4.5ghz with very low temps comes with box & stock cooler (never used) chip has been watercooled since new but im keeping the watercooler for my next build
 
cooler: Sapphire Vapor X cooler 2 x 120mm fans in push pull great cooler 
 
ram: 16gb Kingston Hyper X Beast 4 x 4gb 1600mhz (black)
 
gpu:Asus gtx690 4gb dual gpu (950 euro) beats gtx 970 for gaming runs everything at 1080p ultra settings and games like bf4,crysis 3,starwars battlefront at 1440p ultra settings
 
psu: Be Quiet Power Zone 650w with box and all cables (fully modular)
 
hdd: WD 500gb+ 320gb sata
 
drive: Asus 24x dvd-rw 
 
os: windows 10 64bit
 
ssd: no
 
 
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Like the 1st one has better cooling system + ssd while second one has no ssd but the case is awesome along with the motherboard.
I mostly need the PC for the gaming, so gtx 690 and 970 both are fine but I still think that 690 would need better cooling system.
 
Dont know really which to pick. Btw if what Im going to get 24" monitor with 144hz
 
Thanks

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 02:41 AM

Both are used systems, right? Prices?

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 10:14 AM

Yeah they are. 850e



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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:22 AM

From those I'd take first system. Reasons: dual GPU sounds nice but requires Crossfire support, second system also has useless boxed cooler and HDD's are quite weak.

However first system has no OS. So from those I'd take first system. However, here's quick look at new build:

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6n4f4C
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6n4f4C/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (€221.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AX370-Gaming K3 ATX AM4 Motherboard (€154.19 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Patriot - Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (€109.25 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8000 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€143.95 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€72.40 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: XFX - Radeon RX 470 4GB Triple X Video Card (€213.41 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€65.39 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer (€14.69 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €995.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-11 18:19 CEST+0200

Add case and OS (Windows 10 = around 100e), total around 1150e.

Compared to first system, my system has:

Better CPU
Worse CPU cooler
Much better memory
Better graphic card
Much better motherboard
Missing WIFI (add around 20e)
Equal DVD
Better storage
Somewhat equal PSU

Price difference is around 300e. If you ask me, that first system is slightly overpriced.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:58 AM

Yeah but I dont really trust AMD, I would only use Intel + Nvidia.

I cant spend that much, even 850e is too much because I have to get monitor aswell along with keyboard, mouse, headset and so on.

 

but here, one more, check this out (costs less)

 

 

Intel based gaming / multimedia PC.
Would also make ideal platform for video editing / rendering.

Custom built using best quality parts.
Spotless condition.
Ideal for 1080p gaming.

Windows 7 Professional / 64 bit / SP1.
Can upgrade to Windows 10 if required.

Intel Core i5 3570K / (4 x 3.80)Ghz with TurboBoost).
Overclocks up to 5.0Ghz.

Gigabyte P67A-UD4-B3
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3759#ov 

Supports Intel new B3 stepping 6 series chipset
Supports the newest LGA1155 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ processors
Innovative 12 phase power VRM design for optimum power efficiency
Ultra Durable 3 Technology with copper cooled quality for lower working temperature
Supports USB 3.0 with superfast transfer rates of up to 5 Gbps
GIGABYTE 3x USB Power with On/Off Charge USB ports
High speed SATA3 storage interface with superfast 6Gbps link speed
SLI and CrossFireX multi-graphics support for ultimate graphics performance
XHD technology accelerating hard drive performance with ease
Supports Dolby Home Theater audio


1 x PS/2 keyboard/mouse port
1 x coaxial S/PDIF Out connector
1 x optical S/PDIF Out connector
10 x USB 2.0/1.1 ports
4 x USB 3.0/2.0 ports
2 x eSATA 6Gb/s ports
1 x RJ-45 port
8 x audio jacks (Center/Subwoofer Speaker Out/Rear Speaker Out/ Side Speaker Out/Line In/Line Out/Microphone)


1 x 8GB DDR3 memory (maximum of 32GB)
Can install extra memory if required.

Noctua NH-D14 with six heatpipes and dual radiators equipped with dual fans
One of the best and most silent coolers on the market. Massive in size.
http://www.legitreviews.com/noctua-nh-d14-hsf-review-the-best-cpu-cooler-ever_1212 

OCZ-AGILITY3 120GB SSD.
Can install extra storage if required.


Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 OverClock Edition with 3GB VRAM.
2 x DVI-I 
1 x HDMI 
2 x Mini DisplayPort
Core Clock 1000MHz
Support CrossFireX™ , Avivo™HD, AMD Eyefinity2.0 and EyeSpeed
This card comes equipped with the WindForce 3X heatsink with its Tri Cool design.
This allows this card to reach extremely low temperatures for an air cooled solution while maintaining a nearly silent noise profile. 
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/51395-gigabyte-radeon-hd-7970-3gb-oc-review-14.html 

CoolMaster Cosmos SE full size ATX case.
One of the best cases on the market constructed from Aluminum / Steel / Polymor.
Can hold up to 8 x 3.5-inch hard disk drives and 18 x 2.5-inch SSDs (solid-state drives).
The hard drive trays are tool-less. Each tray can hold both a 3.5 HDD and 2.5 SDD at the same time (see picture).
2 x 120 mm fans with blue LED activated sitting behind the front panel cooling down the HDDs
1 x 140 mm fan on the top of the case.
http://www.coolermaster.com/case/full-tower-cosmos-series/cosmos-se/ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq_lp87zyo0 

CoolMaster 850W Modulator PSU.
http://www.coolermaster.com/service/support/model/RS-850-ESBA/ 

Performance wise check this YouTube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYRE3NKjWNc 

PC comes with full Firewall and AntiVirus.

Price is just for PC.


Edited by SomewhereLost, 11 May 2017 - 12:09 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 12:48 PM

I'd go with the first system.  If you've ever used a SSD, going back to a standard hard drive is a painful experience.

 

Do not buy a PC based upon how the case looks.  The case may look awesome, but the parts inside are what counts.


Edited by Kilroy, 11 May 2017 - 01:29 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:02 PM

If the thing is only SSD, I could buy it for second system after some time. But still, as Drillingmachine has mentioned, isnt it a bit overpriced?

 

 

theres one more >

 

CPU: i5 4670K
http://ark.intel.com/products/75048/Intel-Core-i5-4670K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz 
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper.M5 Z87 Max 32Gb
http://uk.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/G1Sniper-M5-rev-1x#ov 
Water Cooler: Corsair H110i GTX 140mm X 2 Corsair fans
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-h110i-gt-280mm-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler 
Memory: 16Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX (2 X 8GB) 1600Mhz
http://www.corsair.com/en-eu/vengeance-low-profile-16gb-dual-channel-ddr3-memory-kit-cml16gx3m2a1600c10 
PSU: EVGA 650W G2 80 Plus Gold
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=220-G2-0650-Y1 
GPU: KFA2 Hall Of Fame 980ti LN2 rare card a few made only high OC, backplate
http://www.kfa2.com/kfa2/graphics-card/hof/kfa2-geforce-gtx-980-ti-hof-ln2-goc.html 
SSD: Intel 240Gb 6Gb/s Sata III
https://ark.intel.com/products/75680/Intel-SSD-DC-S3500-Series-240GB-2_5in-SATA-6Gbs-20nm-MLC 
HDD: 1 Tb Seagate Barracuda SataIII 6Gb/s
Case: Thermaltake Core V21 windowed 200mm Thermaltake Front fan
http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002559 


Edited by SomewhereLost, 11 May 2017 - 01:09 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:12 PM

Yeah but I dont really trust AMD, I would only use Intel + Nvidia.
I cant spend that much, even 850e is too much because I have to get monitor aswell along with keyboard, mouse, headset and so on.


You are short of cash and you want to stick with more expensive brands that give you nothing in return for more money?

For that machine, main problem is motherboard. Good quality LGA1155 motherboards are very hard to find.

While that Noctua cooler is very good for overclocking, it's also expensive and as I said, finding overclocking capable LGA1155 motherboard is very hard, so cooler mostly go to waste.

SSD is mediocre but can do the job. You'll need extra storage though.

Video card is essentially same as Radeon R9 280. OK but not that fast.

Power supply has too many watts and it's almost 10 year old design. Again, it's OK but price will also climb up.

Here's somewhat comparable machine:

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/zwMtd6
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/zwMtd6/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (€175.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350M-A Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (€84.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (€60.13 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Sandisk - Z410 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€54.36 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€72.40 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: XFX - Radeon RX 460 4GB Video Card (€128.09 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€65.39 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer (€14.69 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €655.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-11 20:07 CEST+0200

That machine has better CPU, much better motherboard, worse cooler (but that Noctua goes to waste anyway), better memory, somewhat equal storage (if adding to that system 2TB Drive), slightly slower GPU, somewhat equal PSU. With case and Windos 10 retail around 800e.

And that machine is new and can be upgraded. So question is, how much that 3570K system costs?

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:15 PM

If the thing is only SSD, I could buy it for second system after some time. But still, as Drillingmachine has mentioned, isnt it a bit overpriced?
 
 
theres one more >


Again, price is? I also cannot see OS there.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:20 PM

900 but no doubt he'd give for 850e


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:33 PM

That last system is better than any of those first three. Still it has certain problems: Video card is 2 generations old, and with Nvidia that IS problem. CPU is bit weak and LGA1150 is somewhat obsolete socket with no real upgrade paths available. CPU is only 4 core/4 thread.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:35 PM

Im not looking for Ultra settings tho, Im a competitive gamer who is looking for better fps but at least High settings. So you're saying last one is the best choice here?



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Posted 11 May 2017 - 02:02 PM

Last one is certainly best of those options. It has decent sized SSD, best video card and good quality (and quite new) PSU.

Still I remind that my system suggestions contain new parts, with full warranties and many great upgrade paths are available.

Edited by Drillingmachine, 11 May 2017 - 02:02 PM.


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 07:36 PM

Okay I got another here, how's this one?

 

CPU: i7 2600K OC @ 4.8
Motherboard: Maximus V Formula
Water Cooler: Swiftech H220 2X Typhoon 120mm fans
Memory: 8GB G.Skill Trident Z 2400Mhz (2x4Gb)
GPU: Asus Poseidon 980ti 6Gb DDR5
PSU: XFX Pro 850W 80+ Bronze
Case: NZXT H440 Black Windowed
SSD: Intel 240Gb SataIII 6Gb/s
HDD: 1TB Seagate Barracuda



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Posted 14 May 2017 - 06:13 AM

Since all suggestions of going AMD were ignored I will cook up a list based on your pricing priorities and desired parts:

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K

Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H100i V2

Motherboard: MSI Z270-A PRO

GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070

Memory: Ballistix Sport LT 8GB dual channel kit

SSD: Intel SSD 600p Series NVMe ssd 256GB

HDD: Seagate BarraCuda 1TB

PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 850

Case: NZXT H440

 

Grand total:

$1,203.76

 

Since it seems that money really isnt an issue, I mean sure we can change the case, get a GTX1060 and a lower priced PSU and go standard SSD but your price priorities seem not to listen to Drillingmachine's point about Ryzen and the RX series of GPU's


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