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Need help deciding on parts for first PC build


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#1 HParker

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 02:06 PM

Hi everyone! I'm building my first PC and I need a little help. First off this PC will be used for everyday use (Stock trading will be the main thing since that's my job) but If I want to game on it I'm making it so I can. It is a white themed computer set up so I'm making the PC match. I'll list all the parts I have already. If you guys have suggestions for better parts I'd love to hear them plus I need help finding some other things. 

 

Processor- Intel Core i7 6700K 4.00 GHz Unlocked Quad Core Skylake Desktop Processor

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Unlocked-Skylake-Processor-BX80662I76700K/dp/B012M8LXQW

 

CPU cooling unit- Enermax ETS-T40 Fit Series CPU Cooler 200W Intel/AMD 120mm Dual CLUSTER Fans included

https://www.amazon.com/Enermax-ETS-T40-Cooler-CLUSTER-included/dp/B014W1Y1MA

 

RAM- Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3000MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B01EI5ZRQY?th=1

 

Storage- WD Black 2TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Performance-Desktop-Hard-Drive/dp/B00FJRS628

 

              

               Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD 

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E250B-AM/dp/B00OAJ412U

 

Chassis- Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Full Tower Chassis PH-ES614L_WT White

https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Enthoo-Tower-Chassis-PH-ES614L-WT/dp/B00LW3X1P0/ref=pd_sim_147_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=W960M6PNY3QNNMN6XAK6

 

I still dont know what Power supply or Graphics card I want. So any help there would be great

 

As for a motherboard I wanted something like the SABERTOOTH Z170 S but I can't find any new. So I need some recommendations there as well. 

 

As for everything above if you think I should go with something different let me know. Like I said this is my first time so ALL help is appreciated. 



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#2 Drillingmachine

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 02:46 PM

CPU: Ryzen 5 is launched next week (April 11.). Waiting is Very highly recommended unless there is very specific reason to get overpriced and badly built (paste under heatspreader sucks badly) i7-7700K.

 

CPU cooler: OK.

 

Memory: OK

 

HDD: I doubt you would want WD black. As you will have SSD, HDD is mostly for storage where speeds does not matter much. I recommend something slower and cheaper.

 

SSD: I would stay away from Samsung's experimental techs given problems with phone batteries and 840 Evo series. I'd rather get more reliable MLC drive like this https://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-REACTOR-LT-250GB-Internal-Solid/dp/B01MUA8ISN/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491248645&sr=1-1

 

Case: Pretty much OK but IMO is not offering enough value for money.

 

PSU and video card depends on budget. Even if you really want 7700K, you can forget z170 boards as z270 is newer and better supported.



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Posted 03 April 2017 - 05:19 PM

For the PSU I think I might go with CORSAIR CXM series CX750M 750W 80 PLUS BRONZE Haswell Ready ATX12V & EPS12V Modular Power Supply

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-CX750M-BRONZE-Haswell-Modular/dp/B00ALK3KEM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1491249399&sr=8-3&keywords=power%2Bsupply%2Bunit%2Bfor%2Bpc&th=1

 

I really wanted a solid GPU so I'm thinking EVGA GTX 1070 Superclocked

http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08g-p4-6173-kr

 

How does that sound? 



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Posted 03 April 2017 - 06:37 PM

CPU: Ryzen 5 is launched next week (April 11.). Waiting is Very highly recommended unless there is very specific reason to get overpriced and badly built (paste under heatspreader sucks badly) i7-7700K.

 

 

Certainly my 7700K's 24C idle core temps with spiking to 59C under torture testing lend a VERY small amount of merit to your concerns. *IF* I begin to feel concerned, I can pop the spreader myself, and won't hesitate to do so when/if I feel 59C under-load temps are concerning...


Edited by MDD1963, 03 April 2017 - 08:14 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 02:41 AM

For the PSU I think I might go with CORSAIR CXM series CX750M 750W 80 PLUS BRONZE Haswell Ready ATX12V & EPS12V Modular Power Supply

 

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-CX750M-BRONZE-Haswell-Modular/dp/B00ALK3KEM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1491249399&sr=8-3&keywords=power%2Bsupply%2Bunit%2Bfor%2Bpc&th=1

 

I really wanted a solid GPU so I'm thinking EVGA GTX 1070 Superclocked

http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08g-p4-6173-kr

 

How does that sound? 

 

 

I'd go with something better for PSU. Like this https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Modular-Warranty-220-G2-0650-Y1/dp/B0106RDIN2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491291428&sr=8-1l

 

There is currently no real competition on that price range for video cards and video card is very easy to swap. So I recommend getting something like AMD RX 470 and see what Vega brings to table. If nothing else, it will cause prices to drop. Another question is what display you have or plan to by. For FullHD 60 Hz I consider that 1080 overkill. For FullHD 144 Hz or 1440P I consider it too slow. It's somewhat hard to recommend 1070 at all. Too expensive for basic FullHD. Too slow for better monitors and still quite expensive.

 

 

CPU: Ryzen 5 is launched next week (April 11.). Waiting is Very highly recommended unless there is very specific reason to get overpriced and badly built (paste under heatsprder sucks badly) i7-7700K.

 

 

Certainly my 7700K's 24C idle core temps with spiking to 59C under torture testing lend a VERY small amount of merit to your concerns. *IF* I begin to feel concerned, I can pop the spreader myself, and won't hesitate to do so when/if I feel 59C under-load temps are concerning...

 

 

I don't know your cooling solution, room temperature, monitor software etc but you shouldn't say that generally 7700K runs so cool.

In this article tested with Enermax Liqtech 240 AiO water cooler (bit better than most high end air coolers) @ 22°C room temperature http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-i7-7700-i5-7600k-i5-7600,4870-8.html

Normal Load: Gaming
 

The temperatures increase at a different pace, depending on the position of the sensor. They do stabilize after a maximum of 22 minutes at up to 71°C, though.

 

Heavy Load: Stress Test (Floating-Point Unit) (AIDA64)
 

With the Tcore reaching up to 85°C, we’re still in the clear. But that's not a good sign for the thermal headroom available when we want to start overclocking.

 

Maximum Load: Intel Power Thermal Utility (100%)

 

Unsurprisingly, temperatures explode right along with the power consumption. The CPU hit 101°C very quickly, which means that it even exceeded its maximum temperature. Consequently, it throttled up to 25 percent. At least the processor survived our full 30-minute test.

 

Perhaps you are measuring that 59°C under stress testing different way or using different software so I don't claim you are wrong.

 

Still those results combined with hundreds of user experiences say same thing: even with AIO water cooler there are big problems with 7700K load temps.


Edited by Drillingmachine, 04 April 2017 - 02:42 AM.


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 12:09 PM

So leaving the CPU for Ryzen, this is what I would probably do: 

 

 
CPU: Ryzen 5 (Price estimate depending on model) ($200.00)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Mini Video Card  ($334.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe ATX Full Tower Case  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1222.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-04 13:10 EDT-0400

Edited by Planemaster2, 04 April 2017 - 12:10 PM.


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 04:19 PM



Still those results combined with hundreds of user experiences say same thing: even with AIO water cooler there are big problems with 7700K load temps.

The results you posted seem to be Tom's Hardware results using an unreleased Intel Thermal Unit software stress testing package, on one of the first production 7700K samples tested back in January? Who knows what core voltage is applied during this test, as the software (and details for testing) is still unavailable for Kaby Lake....

 

In any event, having run 30 minutes of AIDA64 Extreme on my own Asus Z270A Prime/7700k/Noctua NH-D15 combo, I have seen a few spikes to 54C using only 'stress cpu', and, 57-66C fluctuations (mostly 61-63C) when using all 3 stress cpu options, to include  'stress cpu/FPU/cache'....(my ambients are 68F or so, and Noctua sink attached using an intentionally thin layer of Noctua's paste, using a single supplied Noctua cooling fan. My Corsair 100R case came with a single fan, so that is connected as a single exhaust fan at rear of case)

 

CPU-Z's stress testing showed only 54C core temps, so would not seem overly stressful in comparison. Intel's CPU testing utility showed only 53C temps during the 4-5 minute 'cpu stress' test... (My afforementioned 59C temps were obtained under Linux using simultaneous 'cpuburn' and 'stress' packages, 8 instances to stress all threads)

 

The temps noted are at stock clocks/core voltage under load, 4.5 GHz/~1.22V per CPU-Z); as temps of course rise quickly with increased core voltage and clock speed, it is important to establish a baseline range of temps for 'stock', using stock 'crappy' thermal interface material with crappy glue to stock heat spreader. Anyone else have substantially different results? (I can speak only for my own results, of course)


Edited by hamluis, 05 April 2017 - 11:20 AM.

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 03:51 AM

Tom's HW also tested with retail CPU, no major differences compared to retail sample.

 

Considering Noctua NH-D15 is over 1300 gram monster cooler, over 60 degrees for quad core CPU is quite much. Of course depending what actual temp is.



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Posted 05 April 2017 - 08:01 PM

I'm sure the assorted Ryzen cpus run AIDA64 cpu/fpu/cache at 49C, right? :)

 

As long as we are enjoying bashing my toasty 7700K, Prime95 (small FFTs provide the most stress) peak at bouncing equally between 72-73C... :)

 

(The temp jumps to 67C *instantly*, but, stops climbing after about 4-5 minutes...)


Edited by MDD1963, 05 April 2017 - 08:39 PM.

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