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#1 RolandJS

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Posted 28 March 2017 - 04:40 PM

Mod Edit:  Adjusted title, moved from Tips/Tricks to Backup/Imaging - Hamluis.

 

I have this thread also here in BC because BC is a hard-hitting accurate place, and I'm looking for hard-hitting accurate feedback and comments. 

 

First Response restore and recovery ideas, beliefs, practices, experiences

Borrowing from the philosopher Rene Descartes, let's make the title longer:

First Response ideas, beliefs, practices, experiences for OS & Data: backups, restores, and recoveries.

 

First Response means what could be done by an end-user who just might be facing:

-- possible physically failing hard-drives [which are often called "c drive" and "d drive]

-- possible logically failing hard-drives [ditto as above line]

OR might be facing:

-- a deleted file and/or folder that needs to be un-deleted

-- a set of deleted files and/or folders that need to be un-deleted

-- folders and files that cannot be simply un-deleted, restored from Windows Recycle Bin

-- deleted folders and files that no longer exist in the MFT [Master File Table]

-- the MFT no longer functions and/or the OS no longer functions

-- the often called "c drive", the OS partition no longer exists [often, this "c drive" also contained the data]

-- the often called "d drive", the data partition no longer exists

 

First Response Backups mean --

First Response Restores mean --

First Response Recoveries mean --

-- respectively, what could be done by an end-user prior to doing "anything, everything".

 

Borrowing from Star Trek, the "Prime Directives" are:

-- to preserve and protect end-user's data

-- to preserve and protect end-user's OS

-- to restore what can be restored; data first priority, OS 2nd priority

-- to recover what can be recovered; data first priority, OS 2nd priority

 

Roland

 

**This is a work in progress. There will be redactions, corrections, additions, etc. **


Edited by hamluis, 20 April 2017 - 03:18 PM.
Moved from Backups, Imaging, Disk to Tips/Tricks - Hamluis.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 10:55 AM

Let me add a related topic to this thread:

[This post is here in BC  to collect hard-hitting accurate feedback and comments.]

Backup/Restore programs & routines [open topic] -- meaning, rather than me simply posting what I do for backups and restores, I'd like to have several others give their ideas also.

Very briefly, my three computers each have two pancake platter-driven usb ext HDs, each of those HDs contain full images of "C drive" [OS partition] and "D drive" [data partition] which are made during one session [4 backups in all] about once weekly or at least, bi-monthly.

Now, we have two themes for this thread   :)


Edited by RolandJS, 29 March 2017 - 11:51 AM.

"Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee."  -- Ben Franklin revisited.

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Clone or Image often! Backup... -- RockE (WSL)

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 11:28 AM

Roland,

 

         It is very difficult to give a "generic response" to your query simply because a lot of what constitutes "first response" has everything to do with what the given user has been doing "prior to crisis" with regard to taking backups.

 

         If a user has been doing one, the other, or both of the following then the answers can be quite different:

 

1. Taking full system image backups on at least a reasonably routine basis after whatever they define as "major system changes."

 

2.  Taking regularly scheduled data file backups between those full system image backups.

 

More complications arise with regard to data file backups in regard to what method they're using, specifically, to take them.  If you're using something like Windows 10 File History or other versioned backup software then the frequency of checking for changes is critically important in deciding whether something could be retrieved "in full" from the backups or not.  If not, then an undelete utility might be necessary if extensive work has been performed on a now deleted file between its last backup and its deletion.

 

There are, of course, best practices depending on one's own precise circumstances but even what those are, exactly, varies depending on precise circumstances.

 

And, as most of us well know, the majority of people out there don't take backups of any kind.  When that's the case getting back deleted material involves some sort of file recovery utility.  If there's been a drive failure the precise nature of that failure determines what one might be able to do in a non-professional data recovery.

 

This is just an insanely complex topic that depends on knowing a whole lot about the actual situation one's dealing with.


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 11:53 AM

"...This is just an insanely complex topic that depends on knowing a whole lot about the actual situation one's dealing with.."  Britechguy.   Absolutely correct!  I hope to collect posts and/or re-directions that give actual experiences as well as lessons learned both the easy way and the hard way.


Edited by RolandJS, 29 March 2017 - 11:54 AM.

"Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee."  -- Ben Franklin revisited.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 12:00 PM

"...a lot of what constitutes "first response" has everything to do with what the given user has been doing "prior to crisis"..." - Britechguy.  That is what I hope to zero in on this week; preservation of OS and Datapreventative maintenance [via backups]the restoration [from backups] of the OS and/or Data, etc. that almost always trumps the best attempts of data recovery.  Another thing to zero in on:  some data recovery personnel, when faced with a hard-drive to recover data from, assume the worst case possible - physical failure approaching; rather than assuming as some un-delete/restoration personnel assume - hope there are no problems with the hard-drive.


Edited by RolandJS, 29 March 2017 - 12:04 PM.

"Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee."  -- Ben Franklin revisited.

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/forums/45/Computer-Technologies/

Backup, backup, backup! -- Lady Fitzgerald (w7forums)

Clone or Image often! Backup... -- RockE (WSL)

"I heard Spock finally got colander!"  "I believe the word is Kolinahr."  "Oh."


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 08:10 PM

If there's been a drive failure the precise nature of that failure determines what one might be able to do in a non-professional data recovery.


Not to mention what steps the user might have take to deal with the data loss.

For example, if it is an accidentally deleted file and the user uses the computer extensively, including adding a large number of new files, for while before trying to recovery that accidentally deleted file, then there is an increased chance that data recovery of that delete file will be unsuccessful due to it being overwritten by new files. Just one example.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 08:55 PM

+1 smax!  Yes, I hope to post an idea or two, from others and from myself, on how to either almost always prevent such a situation, or, to at least respond immediately upon discovery in the most possibly, positive, accurate way.


"Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee."  -- Ben Franklin revisited.

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Clone or Image often! Backup... -- RockE (WSL)

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 10:54 AM

"...a lot of what constitutes "first response" has everything to do with what the given user has been doing "prior to crisis"..." - Britechguy.  That is what I hope to zero in on this week; preservation of OS and Datapreventative maintenance [via backups]the restoration [from backups] of the OS and/or Data, etc. that almost always trumps the best attempts of data recovery.  Another thing to zero in on:  some data recovery personnel, when faced with a hard-drive to recover data from, assume the worst case possible - physical failure approaching; rather than assuming as some un-delete/restoration personnel assume - hope there are no problems with the hard-drive.

 

What most if not all end-users want when faced with this crisis:
-- restore or recover DATA if it all possble - today "if not yesterday"
-- restore or recover the OS if possible - today would be nice

Slightly repeating:
-- some data recovery folks assume the worst for the HD
[physicial failure imminent, hopefully DR has a couple of hours at least]
[logical failure present already, hopefully DR can work around that problem]

-- many backup/restore folks, many end-users do not assume HD physical failure
until such is proven to be the case; they are hoping for the best for the HD; they
often apply software after software after software, which often leads to a much harder,
a much longer, a much more expensive, data recovery operations.
** At the beginning of this crisis, I recommend STOP, BREATHE, wait for expert help and advice

-- before throwing software at the HD. **

What can be done by an end-user prior to doing "anything, everything"?
As Britechguy earlier indicated:  answers depend upon what actions were done by the

end-user before this present crisis.
** Again, I recommend...wait for expert help and advice...**


Edited by RolandJS, 30 March 2017 - 10:55 AM.

"Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee."  -- Ben Franklin revisited.

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/forums/45/Computer-Technologies/

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Clone or Image often! Backup... -- RockE (WSL)

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 10:07 AM

I see my first public attempt at a tiny white paper fell flat.  In short, make routine backups so that in the future you can post: My backups restored my Data and/or my OS, I'm back in business!


Edited by RolandJS, 04 April 2017 - 01:42 AM.

"Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee."  -- Ben Franklin revisited.

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Clone or Image often! Backup... -- RockE (WSL)

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 01:02 PM

Acer Aspire 7741G-6426's S03(YT0)C and S03(YT0)D recovered and restored.

 

  Normally, this laptop's "c drive" is OS partition S03YT0C, "d drive" is Data partition S03YT0D, 

with a tiny 1GB partition labeled NTFS or whatever between the above two partitions. 

  Thankfully, have been making routine backups of OS and Data onto external media 

(in this case, two dedicated platter-driven, usb, 1TB hard-drives, TCSIIkat & TCSIIkit). 

  From Day One, those two partitions were given unique names that indicated: 

-- which computer, in this one of two laptops, S03 

-- which internal hard-drive, part of the serial number is YT0 

-- which partition, C for OS partition, D for Data partition 

 

  One day, I interrupted what seemed to be a stalled partition merger between 

an un-allocated partition and S03YT0C; which led to a post, no-boot, no-Windows load. 

  My first correct response concerning disk management was using Acronis Disk Director 12. 

ADD12 showed un-allocated partitions, and S03YT0D -- which was promptly backed up 

onto TSCIIkat.  Made sure that partition was intact by using the disk explore function. 

  My first correct response concerning partition recovery was using MiniTool Partition Wizard 

9.1, which actually is part of my MiniTool Power Data Recovery package; ran it, it found my 

S03YT0C (disk explore showed all the directories); and my S03YT0D became un-allocated. 

S03YT0C was promptly backed up -- Macrium Reflect Pro version being used through-out. 

  Backups took a long time, so at the end of both backups, called it a day and went home. 

   

  The next day, used Acronis Disk Director 12 to re-create S03YT0C and S03YT0D partitions, 

with a tiny 1GB partition labeled NTFS or whatever between the above two partitions. 

Using Macrium Reflect and TSCIIkat, restored S03YT0C and S03YT0D into their respective locations. 

Because I had TSCIIkat connected during a Windows Startup Repair attempt Thursday, I re-ran 

Windows Startup Repair after restoring the partitions - finally, post, boot, and Windows load. 

 

  Because of the above experience, and previous restoration experiences, wanted to try my hand at 

typing a tiny "white paper" about backup, restore, recovery operations coming from a "first response" 

angle, pictured an analogy -- an ambulance, a first responder. 

  Setting up the OS and Data early on with making routine backups in mind, with sooner or later, 

eventual, restores in mind, seemed to me similar to setting up the ambulance, 

setting up better first responses, in any crisis. 

  Things that could be done by an end-user in the midst of an OS and/or Data crisis 

depend largely upon things done by the end-user long before any such crisis.


"Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee."  -- Ben Franklin revisited.

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/forums/45/Computer-Technologies/

Backup, backup, backup! -- Lady Fitzgerald (w7forums)

Clone or Image often! Backup... -- RockE (WSL)

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 09:13 AM

Jared, Data Medics ann dData Medics forum admin, gives DR advice:

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/sreply/5665/Response-Restore-Recovery-ideas-beliefs-practices-exper

 

Luke, specialist, RecoveryForce, RecoveryForce forum, gives DR advice.

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/sreply/5663/Response-Restore-Recovery-ideas-beliefs-practices-exper


Edited by RolandJS, 07 April 2017 - 11:10 AM.

"Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee."  -- Ben Franklin revisited.

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/forums/45/Computer-Technologies/

Backup, backup, backup! -- Lady Fitzgerald (w7forums)

Clone or Image often! Backup... -- RockE (WSL)

"I heard Spock finally got colander!"  "I believe the word is Kolinahr."  "Oh."


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 08:26 PM

Here are some snippits from contributors, DR specialists, posting in hddguru forums:

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/sreply/5670/Response-Restore-Recovery-ideas-beliefs-practices-exper

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/sreply/5671/Response-Restore-Recovery-ideas-beliefs-practices-exper

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/sreply/5672/Response-Restore-Recovery-ideas-beliefs-practices-exper

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/sreply/5673/Response-Restore-Recovery-ideas-beliefs-practices-exper

The above hddguru forum snippits indicate that imminent hardware failure cannot be repaired by software "fixes".

Rather then trusting repair techs, trust data recovery techs.

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http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/sreply/5668/Response-Restore-Recovery-ideas-beliefs-practices-exper

This snippit from sevenforums.com by a long-time contributor drives home the point that a good restorable backup trumps any data recovery attempt.  In short, if one dores not do backups, then one better trust DR techs rather than DIY or repair techs.


"Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee."  -- Ben Franklin revisited.

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/forums/45/Computer-Technologies/

Backup, backup, backup! -- Lady Fitzgerald (w7forums)

Clone or Image often! Backup... -- RockE (WSL)

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 10:05 AM

Because of the wealth of information provided by data recovery folks in numerous forums on The 'Net, I have these two threads [along with a few others elsewhere] for the purpose of passing on your wisdom and experience, passing on your advice and ideas.

 

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/topic/1307/Response-Restore-Recovery-ideas-beliefs-practices-exper

college cafe's Computer Technologies;

Thread title: First Response Restore and Recovery ideas, beliefs, practices, experiences

 

https://www.dost-tech.com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=730

Dost-Tech's Microsoft Windows Support; subGroup: Backup, Restore, Recovery; Ext/Int FD&HD MGT

Thread title: First Response restore and recovery ideas, beliefs, practices, experiences

 

Anyone, everyone, is very much welcomed to add content, add comments, ask questions, etc. Those threads hopefully will awaken end-users who are in any sort of data loss crisis, to consider

-- data recovery concepts and practices

-- restoration and copy-back concepts and practices

as a Unified Whole rather than linear parts and parcels.

 

Also, rather than over and over printing a post in numerous threads across The 'Net, I'm going to print the vast majority of "rollerstoller"-generated stuff in two threads in those two forums.  You all can from time to time visit the above two and see additional stuff.


Edited by RolandJS, 11 April 2017 - 10:07 AM.

"Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee."  -- Ben Franklin revisited.

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/forums/45/Computer-Technologies/

Backup, backup, backup! -- Lady Fitzgerald (w7forums)

Clone or Image often! Backup... -- RockE (WSL)

"I heard Spock finally got colander!"  "I believe the word is Kolinahr."  "Oh."


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:53 PM

First Responses before, during, after OS or Data loss crises.

 

** Those with Dynamic, RAID, SSD, or 3GB+ setups -- seek advice from those specialists. **

 

A few good "first responses" PRIOR to any OS and/or Data loss crisis

AND

A few good "first responses" AFTER any OS and/or Data loss crisis

-- using Macrium Reflect, AOMEI Backupper, EaseUS Todo, or anything similar, free or pay-for:

---- routinely make full image backups of one's OS and Data onto affordable and reliable external media; or

---- routinely make a clone of your OS and Data hard-drive onto another reliable hard-drive

---- make usb and dvd boots with your backup/restore utility of choice

[if no cd/dvd device in laptop, if affordable, get a usb cd/dvd device]

 

During any of the following situations, these three first responses may be best:

1) chill  2) breathe  3) chill

 

During any file or files deletion loss

If Windows works, if Recycle Bin works - check for any deleted file(s) you want to un-delete.

If Windows works, if you have a 3rd party un-delete program, check that bucket.

 

During any Windows not working crisis

If no Windows,

OR

During any partition(s) not found crisis

If no partition(s),

Boot backup/restore/cloning utility usb or dvd,

[if no cd/dvd device in laptop, if affordable, get a usb cd/dvd device] and:

-- if possible, make a one-pass DIY clone onto an external HD; or

-- if possible, make a one-pass DIY full image of the hard-drive onto any affordable and reliable external media

-- wait patiently, in whichever forum you're in, for expert advice and help; or

-- if affordable, take it to a local computer fix-it place/specialist and let him/her help you; or

-- if affordable, if possible, send the hard-drive to a data recovery place

 

During any hard-drive not found crisis

If no hard-drive access, it's mostly either a physical failing or a "logical" failing

There is a fork in the road, you choose which tine, which path, you believe is best --

1)  Boot backup/restore/cloning utility usb or dvd,

     [if no cd/dvd device in laptop, if affordable, get a usb cd/dvd device] and:

-- if possible, make a one-pass DIY clone onto an external HD; or

-- if possible, make a one-pass DIY full image of the hard-drive onto any affordable and reliable external media

OR

-- wait patiently, in whichever forum you're in, for expert advice and help; or

-- if affordable, take it to a local computer fix-it place/specialist and let him/her help you; or 

-- if affordable, if possible, send the hard-drive to a data recovery place

 

Making a DIY one-pass clone or full image means:

-- the process reads or tries to read each sector only once, there is no re-reading, re-trying any sector

-- the process is started and run, without interruption, to completion

-- when the process "says" it is finished, it is finished and the 2ndCopy HD is put away for safe-keeping

-- if the process interrupts itself at any time or point, the process is finished, the 2ndCopy HD is put away

AND

-- wait patiently, in whichever forum you're in, for expert advice and help before continuing; or

-- if affordable, take it to a local computer fix-it place/specialist and let him/her help you; or

-- if affordable, if possible, send the hard-drive to a data recovery place

 

This is as far I can go for this article.  I'm hoping data restoration and data recovery specialists

will weigh in with their advice and practicals in future articles.

 

If you want to see snippits, elsewhere-posted comments of data recovery folks far wiser than I,

gathered from across The 'Net, see my itty bitty place's backup,restore...thread.


Edited by RolandJS, 21 April 2017 - 08:23 AM.

"Take care of thy backups and thy restores shall take care of thee."  -- Ben Franklin revisited.

http://collegecafe.fr.yuku.com/forums/45/Computer-Technologies/

Backup, backup, backup! -- Lady Fitzgerald (w7forums)

Clone or Image often! Backup... -- RockE (WSL)

"I heard Spock finally got colander!"  "I believe the word is Kolinahr."  "Oh."


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 09:37 AM

Data recovery is going to be similar to San Andreas movie.
Before the big Event, people, in groups, were living in defined houses, labeled houses, with family names.
Now, picture no more house addresses, houses standing and houses not standing,
pretend the last names of all the people you know - evaporated, no more names.
Got the picture? Now, go find them and reGroup them. That's often how data recovery is going to be.


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