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#1 jpt10221984

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 12:54 PM

Hello i was just wondering why there is such a price range with these. Specifically Western Digital. Is this not a good brand? i've bought WD before and i've had no problems. So i'm trying to upgrade my laptop to an SSD and want 1TB and found Western Digital on Amazon for $264. the Samsung 1TB SSD is $490.

 

I have a macbook pro mid 2012 if that makes a difference.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Samsung

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-850-PRO-2-5-Inch-MZ-7KE256BW/dp/B00LF10KTE?th=1

 

Western Digital

https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Internal-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B01LXPENRR/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1489173953&sr=1-1&keywords=wd+blue+1tb+ssd


Edited by jpt10221984, 10 March 2017 - 02:33 PM.
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#2 rqt

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 01:26 PM

It seems highly unlikely that whatever you've found on Amazon for $49 is a new 1TB SSD. I suggest you take a closer look, and if you still think that's what it is then please post a link.


Edited by rqt, 10 March 2017 - 01:27 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2017 - 02:31 PM

The $49 price has to be for a mechanical drive.  The 1TB Western Digital drives start at about $263.



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Posted 10 March 2017 - 02:35 PM

Yes you both were correct I just typed Western Digital Blue 1TB and it showed the mechanical drive. I thought the blue line was for the SSD so I do apologize for the mistake i edit the post to correct the price with links thank you. Still wondering is Samsung alot better than WD? Thank you



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Posted 10 March 2017 - 08:51 PM

Samsung is much pretty the current gold standard of performance in SSDs, and has been ever since the 840 Pro released years ago....

 

I have both an 850 EVO 500 GB (about 90-95% as fast as an 850 Pro, but, 30% less expensive) and, now a 960 EVO 500 GB, an M.2/nvme drive, which is capable of up to about 3,000 MB/sec sequential read speeds, or, roughly 5 times faster than ordinarlly snappy SSDs...

 

In my opinion, they (Samsung) are worth the extra $10-$30 over their competitors.... (The Pro models are a tad expensive for me compared to the EVO series, and I am content with the latter)


Edited by MDD1963, 11 March 2017 - 05:36 PM.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:02 AM

During past five years years Samsung is about only SSD manufacturer with serious problem. 840 and 840 Evo are quite bad examples of Samsung's so called "quality". Basically Samsung tries to save manufacturing costs and sometimes that backfires to customers, just like we saw with 840 and 840 Evo.

Personally I stay clear of Samsung SSD's.

Macbook Pro is quite old and slow so you probably won't notice any difference between Samsung and that one https://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-REACTOR-960GB-Internal-MKNSSDRE960GB/dp/B01N10EGW9/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1489420935&sr=1-2

Edited by Drillingmachine, 13 March 2017 - 11:03 AM.


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Posted 13 March 2017 - 02:08 PM

I've had good luck with kingston hyperX SSD.   Another saving would be TLC instead of MLC.   


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Posted 14 March 2017 - 05:59 PM

During past five years years Samsung is about only SSD manufacturer with serious problem. 840 and 840 Evo are quite bad examples of Samsung's so called "quality". Basically Samsung tries to save manufacturing costs and sometimes that backfires to customers, just like we saw with 840 and 840 Evo.

Personally I stay clear of Samsung SSD's.

Macbook Pro is quite old and slow so you probably won't notice any difference between Samsung and that one https://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-REACTOR-960GB-Internal-MKNSSDRE960GB/dp/B01N10EGW9/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1489420935&sr=1-2

Weird, I've heard and read of zero issues on these forums (or others, or at professional technician's forums) of folks' Samsung SSDs 'giving up the ghost'...; I guess you read an article about 3D stacking as being less expensive to produce, so reached a few leaping conclusions on your own? Congrats. (Perhaps you confused Samsung with OCZ, who's SSD line did have several issues years back?)

 

Where's a single freaking link to *ANY* Samsung issues with SSDs...?

 

Meanwhile, Samsung has been at the top of the performance benchmarks for both conventional SATA SSDs for a mere 6 years, and now for NVME/M.2 formats as well ...; but, yes, continue to 'avoid them'; be a 'crowd of one', if you so wish


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Posted 14 March 2017 - 07:35 PM

<crickets chirping.....>

 

I was able to find a 2 year old THF forum reference about one person having 840 EVO issues such as performance falling off after months; perhaps this is the basis of the 'widespread Samsung SSD issues' story? One or two scattered forum posts from years ago...? Geez....; it doesn't take too much for some folks to get 'sour grapes' on a manufacturer, does it....?

 

An article from 2014 about Samsung releasing a firmware repair tool...

 

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/192419-samsungs-840-evo-repair-tool-available-to-download-but-be-careful-of-the-caveats-when-you-update

 

Meanwhile, the 850 EVO (who recommends an 840 EVO years after it's replacement, anwyay?) simply stays at the very top of SSD sales and recommendations...

 

Strange!

 

Here's one manufacturer's perspective based on their statistics of SSD issues/returns:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Samsung-SATA-SSD-s-Amazing-Reliability-772/

 

(Summary: 1 failure our of 7,000+ Samsung drives used; they *DO*, however, acknowledge some issues back in 2014 with 840 EVO performance...)


Edited by MDD1963, 14 March 2017 - 08:11 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 09:58 AM

 Can we define our focus...for this topic...to coincide with the initial post, please?

 

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 10:03 AM

The focus was shifted by the original poster after recognizing an error in post #4.  Everything posted so far directly addresses the question surrounding Samsung SSD quality, which is right on topic.


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Posted 15 March 2017 - 10:21 AM

One thing you'll invariably see in the US at least, where there is a systemic quality problem is a class action lawsuit against the manufacturer.  I can't find evidence of one against Samsung for their SSD's so far.

 

Western Digital bought out Sandisk last year, and their new range of SSD's are basically Sandisk designs.  I believe Sandisk SSD's were popular with OEM's for reliability, never at the cutting edge of performance, but basically competent, and WD seem to be marketing these drives at very competitive prices.  The Blue 1Tb is based on Sandisk's X400 and is reviewed here - http://www.anandtech.com/show/10741/the-western-digital-blue-1tb-ssd-review

 

As per the original post, you're comparing different "tiers" of SSD, with the 850 Pro aimed at "prosumers" - in theory people prepared to pay for that extra few percent of performance and long term reliability under heavy use.  The 850 Evo is closer in pricing to the WD Blue, although still a little more expensive, but it is higher performing.


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Posted 15 March 2017 - 10:50 AM

Samsung 840 and 840 Evo quality problems are very well known, so I think that link is more than enough

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/Samsung-840-840-EVO-susceptible-flash-read-speed-degradation-over-time
 

Adding some facts:

 

- That problem cannot be fixed, all Samsung's 840 Evo's and 840's are faulty.

 

- It took Samsung over three years to offer partial "fix" for 840 :clapping:

 

To put this shortly: http://techreport.com/review/27824/crucial-bx100-and-mx200-solid-state-drives-reviewed/7

 

Given the issues plaguing some of Samsung's TLC-based SSDs, I'd take the MX200 over any EVO right now.

 

 

And that includes 850 EVO.

 

Given price of previously linked Mushkin MLC drive, I see no point buying TLC drive or more expensive model. Mushkin is 16nm MLC that is not very durable but much better than any TLC still. Another question is capacity. It's not recommended to buy any bigger SSD than is needed, as SSD prices generally (there is NAND shortage right now) go down all the time. And while on HDD's, price difference between 500GB and 1000GB HDD is something around 10%, on SSD's that is around 90%.



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Posted 15 March 2017 - 07:28 PM

If there were some inherent falling performance issues with the 840s years ago which necessitated a patch fix....I had not heard too much about it. (Whereas I heard tons of complaints on bricked OCZ SSDs years back, and, likewise, Intel SSDs that simply quit working once "X" amount of data writes have occurred, regardless of wether any failures have actually occurred. Brilliant!))

 

In any event, I'm not sure a handful of complaints 5 or 6 years ago about the then-new 840 have a lot of relevance to the 850 Pro and 850 EVOs today, unless both Puget Systems' statistics of an EXTREMELY low number of faiied Samsung SSDs of about 8,000 drives sold are just a fluke, and/or, perhaps just no one else has yet heard of the rash of 'well-known Samsung SSD issues'...; but, assuming these issues still exist, perhaps most purchasers would be wise shopping for the 850 Pro/EVO series anyway...


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