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#1 Planemaster2

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 09:33 AM

This PC will be used for light/medium Photoshop editing.

 


 
CPU: Intel Core i3-7100 3.9GHz Dual-Core Processor  (£109.99 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B250-PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£86.40 @ Aria PC) 
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£54.92 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£119.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1050 2GB StormX Video Card  (£95.94 @ Aria PC) 
Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case  (£46.91 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£54.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  (£87.78 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £699.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Budget: £700
 
The most intense thing it will do is Photoshop. No games. All parts need to be bought from Aria PC and Amazon UK and it will have a Dual Monitor Display.
 
As much as I dislike the Intel Stock cooler, it allows me to fit into the budget and I'm sure it will work fine. No overclocking of course. Video card is useful for accelerated features in Photoshop.

Edited by Planemaster2, 05 March 2017 - 09:35 AM.


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:22 AM

You are good to go; I have been using Photoshop for years with only 4gigs DDR2 and an AMD Phenom X2 proc. Runs fast and clean, no problems. As a side thought, I have recently been experimenting with Gimp and am very impressed. For normal general use it has more than I need and the price is reasonable. :cowboy:  If you know Photoshop, your learning curve will be flat with Gimp.

If you are doing freelance work out of your house, however, best to stick with Photoshop because printing shops all run Photoshop and are acquainted with it.


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:43 AM

You are good to go; I have been using Photoshop for years with only 4gigs DDR2 and an AMD Phenom X2 proc. Runs fast and clean, no problems. As a side thought, I have recently been experimenting with Gimp and am very impressed. For normal general use it has more than I need and the price is reasonable. :cowboy:  If you know Photoshop, your learning curve will be flat with Gimp.

If you are doing freelance work out of your house, however, best to stick with Photoshop because printing shops all run Photoshop and are acquainted with it.

 

Would you say the GPU for this build is overkill? I've heard that the 750 Ti is one of the best choices at 1080p but the 1050 turns out to be slightly cheaper but 50% more powerful. I was also looking at a GT 730 4GB for £60, it's considerably slower but £40 less, what do you think?



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 01:04 PM

Really you could skip the GPU, in my opinion. The Intel HD 630 that is on the Kaby Lake processors should support the bits of Photoshop that are hardware accelerated (link), and is a good bit faster than a GT 730 discreet card (by about 30-40%).  While it doesn't have the performance of a GTX1050 Ti, I'm not sure you'd miss it, unless you do a lot of rendering that is GPU accelerated anyway.  It's always something that you could add at a later date if necessary.


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 01:15 PM

Really you could skip the GPU, in my opinion. The Intel HD 630 that is on the Kaby Lake processors should support the bits of Photoshop that are hardware accelerated (link), and is a good bit faster than a GT 730 discreet card (by about 30-40%).  While it doesn't have the performance of a GTX1050 Ti, I'm not sure you'd miss it, unless you do a lot of rendering that is GPU accelerated anyway.  It's always something that you could add at a later date if necessary.

 

I've seen that list and, in context, this would be a new PC for my parents use. I've asked about that list before and they say they will use it for processing .raw pictures (large image files). From that list, the features that don't work without a GPU, will they still work with the integrated or not?

 

 

Also, will the iGPU support a dual monitor display?


Edited by Planemaster2, 05 March 2017 - 01:18 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 01:59 PM

Ok, after a few edits, would this be better than the other one or is it worth keeping a GPU in it for running Photoshop? 

 


 
CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£168.59 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B250-PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£86.40 @ Aria PC) 
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£50.44 @ Novatech) 
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£119.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case  (£46.91 @ Amazon UK) 
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer  (£13.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  (£87.78 @ Aria PC) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  (£26.22 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £692.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Edited by Planemaster2, 05 March 2017 - 02:03 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 02:36 PM

 

I've seen that list and, in context, this would be a new PC for my parents use. I've asked about that list before and they say they will use it for processing .raw pictures (large image files). From that list, the features that don't work without a GPU, will they still work with the integrated or not?

 

Intel HD 630 graphics are specifically listed as supported, so I don't see why the functions that require a GPU would not work. They mention that older Intel iGPU's (HD 4000 series for example, from Ivy Bridge and Haswell generations) are not supported.

 

Also, will the iGPU support a dual monitor display?

 

Yes it supports up to 3 x 4k displays @ 60 hz.

 

 


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 02:53 PM

 

 

I've seen that list and, in context, this would be a new PC for my parents use. I've asked about that list before and they say they will use it for processing .raw pictures (large image files). From that list, the features that don't work without a GPU, will they still work with the integrated or not?

 

Intel HD 630 graphics are specifically listed as supported, so I don't see why the functions that require a GPU would not work. They mention that older Intel iGPU's (HD 4000 series for example, from Ivy Bridge and Haswell generations) are not supported.

 

Also, will the iGPU support a dual monitor display?

 

Yes it supports up to 3 x 4k displays @ 60 hz.

 

 

 

 

Ok, sounds great. Shall use the i5 7400 or i3 7100?



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 03:02 PM

Ok, after a few edits, would this be better than the other one or is it worth keeping a GPU in it for running Photoshop? 
 


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
 
CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£168.59 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B250-PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£86.40 @ Aria PC) 
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£50.44 @ Novatech) 
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£119.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£42.95 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case  (£46.91 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£49.95 @ Ebuyer) 
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer  (£13.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  (£87.78 @ Aria PC) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  (£26.22 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £692.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I would change SSD to something cheaper like https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/z72kcf/transcend-internal-hard-drive-ts256gssd370

I would also seriously consider Windows 10 Retail.

Ok, sounds great. Shall use the i5 7400 or i3 7100?


I cannot see any point with i3-7100 as this is almost as fast https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/kB7CmG/intel-pentium-g4600-36ghz-dual-core-processor-bx80677g4600

And only drawback is missing AES support.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 03:42 PM

Changes are all better except the psu. I-3 would be terrible for Photoshop use but the builder series of Corsair psus is not good quality and why did you drop from 500 to 450 anyway?

Rather see you use Seasonic or Antec psus any day of the week.



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 04:11 PM

So this unit is not for you but for your parents to work with their home photographs?

A hi-powered video card is not as important with programs that use static images; if you were rendering and viewing hi-def video clips regularly, then go with the highest you can afford since the card does the heavy lifting in rendering and viewing.  Still, I suggest a dedicated video card to take the load off the CPU, especially if you are going to run dual monitors.  As it is, I would opt for the fastest SSD you can handle. Also remember, graphics eats drive space like a shark eats fish. If you will be doing a lot of this then you might consider a 2nd HDD, say 1 or 2 TB as a storage drive. The time pulling up different pictures to view isn't as critical as a fast drive when actively editing photos in Photoshop. 250gig drive is small for Photoshop, especially after you install the OS, Photoshop and other programs.

Whatever you do, I strongly suggest the i3-7100 proc. For a few bucks more it is worth the almost 4GHz speed. Since you are working with large files you really want the speed, trust me.

From what I see, you aren't saving enough to warrant the sacrifice in performance by going with a cheaper processor. Photoshop is dead-serious pro software, and trying to cheat it on resources will choke its performance.

As far as Windows 10....I am a dedicated hater of Windows 10, but that is only my thing.

If you are going to use it, carefully review 2 major issues with W10:

>  Bad updates....if you scan this forum, there are many help requests from those whose OSs have been trashed or damaged by Windows 10 updates. Seriously, give it some thought. At least limit the updates to security updates only.

> Total lack of privacy...this is a personal issue, I know, but W10 is a clear window to Microsoft who will actively scan your folks computer.

Finally, do your self a really big favor....set your folks up with a backup system and educate them to use it at least once per week. I suggest Macrium Reflect free edition; then get a docking station with a 1TB SATA drive for backups. The first time their system is trashed by a W10 update or any of hundreds of viruses out there, you will bless the day you can tell them to insert the Macrium Reflect boot disk and restore their computer from an imaged backup. And since they have been saving their pictures to a 2nd HDD for storage, all their precious files are safe. In fact, you can use the docking station for the storage drive, then slide in the backup drive for backups, swap the storage drive to start saving again. I just had a poor lady bring her computer to me because Ransomware had encrypted all her family photos, from her kids growing up to her grandchildren. She lost everything.


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 05:59 PM

Of course I agree with the importance of Macrium and backup image files, especially stored off computer for use to return if attacked by ransomware and no one can ever have enough backups.

As for Windows 10, I don't know of any systems permanently damaged by updates and as for Microsoft snooping on you, well what do you have to hide and why didn't you shut down all the windows when you first installed Windows 1o. Or did you actually install and work with Windows 10 ranchhand?



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 07:01 PM

Worth noting that Windows versions older than 10 are not officially supported on Kaby Lake or Ryzen architectures, so drivers etc. might be a problem if you decide to use older versions.

 

 



 

Ok, sounds great. Shall use the i5 7400 or i3 7100?

 

 

Having two extra real cores will give a performance boost to programs like Photoshop, and should offset the lower clock speed of the 7400 vs the 7100.  I'd also suggest 16 Gb memory as well, particularly if using the iGPU (it uses system memory).  Without the iGPU in the mix, 8 Gb is likely enough, but opening many high megapixel raw images at the same time can use huge amounts of system memory, something to bear in mind.  But £700 is not enough for everything you could possibly want in a  photo workstation so compromises have to be made.

 

This here comes in at under budget, going for a cheaper SSD, but adding 16Gb memory, and allowing for an OS.  Hint: You could check Ebay for Windows 10 deals as sellers from Europe often have good deals on OEM software..

 

 
CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£168.59 @ Aria PC) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Evo 43.1 CFM CPU Cooler  (£20.20 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B250M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£72.00 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Samsung PM961 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£82.03 @ CCL Computers) 
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£64.75 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: XFX XT 400W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£43.87 @ Amazon UK) 
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer  (£13.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £614.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-06 00:10 GMT+0000
 
BTW on this system, 400w PSU more than enough. It's calculated power requirements are under 200 watts.

Edited by jonuk76, 05 March 2017 - 07:10 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:45 PM

@mylanta....obviously you have not perused his forum very much, nor have you studied Windows 10 very much.  Go here, read and learn. Next, go here and get some education.I am actively running Windows XP, Windows 7 Ultimate and W10. You got a lot to learn, my friend. You can start by reading carefully your Windows 10 EULA that you agreed to, and if you do you will see what I am talking about. I work on damaged Windows 10 OSs all the time from bad updates, it is one of the most common complaints in our Windows 10 forum.

Anyway, I have had my say and am on to other topics.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 12:50 AM

I've added a WiFi card and OS to Jonuk's build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£168.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Evo 43.1 CFM CPU Cooler (£20.20 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B250M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£72.00 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (£83.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung PM961 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£82.03 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£64.75 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case (£46.91 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply (£34.79 @ Aria PC)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer (£13.00 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£87.78 @ Aria PC)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (£26.20 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £700.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-06 05:46 GMT+0000

It seems pretty good, the SSD is M.2 which is something I completely forgot about before. The only reason for a 500W PSU was because I had a Graphics card earlier. 430W is still overkill but it's the cheapest reputable one there is.




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