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#1 dave034

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Posted 20 February 2017 - 03:53 PM

I purchased a HP Pavilion 500-420qe a couple of years ago. Now I am looking to upgrade but I don't have the funds to completely build a new PC. I wanted to upgrade my GPU to run more games and run dual monitors. I already purchased the second monitor and am running a dual monitor setup, but that is going to put more of a strain on my current graphics card. In addition, my PSU won't be able to run dual monitors and a better graphics card so I am probably going to have to run it as well. I don't have much experience with computers and need help picking components and seeing if it is possible. 

 

Current PC Specs: 

OS: Windows 10 64 bit (originally windows 8 i believe) 
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460S @ 2.90GHz 
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GT 750 1GB
PSU: 300W (It's a generic model from HP)
RAM: 12GB DDR3
Motherboard: HP 2AF7

 

Friends have said that I should upgrade to a 1060 GTX, but I have been looking at 1050 ti GPUs as well. I am open to any suggestions. I also need to know if it will be compatible with my motherboard and whether if I should get a dual fan or single fan. My case's ventilation is not that great. My budget would be around $100-200. 

 

For the PSU, I need one that can run dual monitors, the GPU, and all the other components efficiently. I'm not sure how to measure how much power I would need so if there is a way, then let me know. The one I have right now is 300 what and it runs my current setup okay with the dual monitors. Any suggestions would be appreciated. My budget for the PSU is around $50-100. 



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Posted 20 February 2017 - 04:09 PM

Best graphics card for MSI 7778 (JasmineR) motherboard

 

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2612384/graphics-card-msi-7778-jasminer-motherboard.html

 

This motherboard is installed in your computer



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Posted 20 February 2017 - 05:10 PM

Hi, I'd recommend against modding these pre-built PCs. It may be problematic.


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Posted 20 February 2017 - 06:39 PM

OP's system actually used the HP Paragon-Memphis-5 motherboard with the Intel H87 chipset. The Jazmine-R was used for AMD HP pre-builts around that era. Either GTX 1050it or GTX 1060 should work well with your system with the GTX 1060 being pricier but giving more performance. Possibly think about the AMD RX 470 too it's a nice card giving around the same performance as the GTX 1050ti and you can get one around the $200.00 mark but in my opinion gives better game visuals than the nVidia counterparts (image quality).

 

As for your power supply situation I remember replacing some on HP units just like your with XFX 550w power supplies. The unit will take standard power supplies, so any high quality (I would go for gold rated) XFX, Seasonc, eVGA (superflower made), would should out well for you in the range of 500-600w.



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Posted 20 February 2017 - 11:03 PM

Best graphics card for MSI 7778 (JasmineR) motherboard

 

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2612384/graphics-card-msi-7778-jasminer-motherboard.html

 

This motherboard is installed in your computer

ummm... not sure where you got that. But the motherboard in my PC is this. http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03885123 


Hi, I'd recommend against modding these pre-built PCs. It may be problematic.

How so? A few friends of mine said the same while others said the opposite. 



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Posted 20 February 2017 - 11:11 PM

OP's system actually used the HP Paragon-Memphis-5 motherboard with the Intel H87 chipset. The Jazmine-R was used for AMD HP pre-builts around that era. Either GTX 1050it or GTX 1060 should work well with your system with the GTX 1060 being pricier but giving more performance. Possibly think about the AMD RX 470 too it's a nice card giving around the same performance as the GTX 1050ti and you can get one around the $200.00 mark but in my opinion gives better game visuals than the nVidia counterparts (image quality).

 

As for your power supply situation I remember replacing some on HP units just like your with XFX 550w power supplies. The unit will take standard power supplies, so any high quality (I would go for gold rated) XFX, Seasonc, eVGA (superflower made), would should out well for you in the range of 500-600w.

I was looking at these for the PSU. Each have a different price point, but are in the 500-600w range. I was thinking maybe Corsair because I've heard more about it from my friends. But I've seen eVGA around while researching as well. 

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-CX550M-BRONZE-Haswell-Modular/dp/B01B72W0A2/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&keywords=psu&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&qid=1487123746&ref_=mp_s_a_1_13&sr=8-13

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-BRONZE-Warranty-Tester-100-B1-0600-KR/dp/B00EON40CS/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&dpID=51Zd5PuGxSL&dpPl=1&keywords=psu&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&qid=1487123746&ref=plSrch&ref_=mp_s_a_1_3&sr=8-3

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-WHITE-Power-Supply-100-W1-0500-KR/dp/B00H33SFJU/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&dpID=51PiQrWaNjL&dpPl=1&keywords=psu&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&qid=1487123746&ref=plSrch&ref_=mp_s_a_1_1&sr=8-1

 

 

Also, for the GPU, I know that they give you various sizes like 1gb, 2gb, etc. Which size would be the best for its price? And does it matter whether it is  a dual fan or single fan? I read that with dual fans, you would need a better ventilated case. The current case has a fan attached to the back. There is a vent on the side but no option to attach an additional fan to it. 



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 12:35 AM

Hello again,

 

Well ti's good to see you're doing some research in your own, but if you wanted to go with a budget bronze power supply I would prefer to see you get something of higher quality like this Seaonic 520w or 620w

 

https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-S12II-520-BRONZE-SS-520GB/dp/B00390P1NO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487654397&sr=8-1&keywords=seasonic+520w

 

https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-M12II-620-BRONZE-SS-620GM2/dp/B003HE260I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487654545&sr=8-1&keywords=seasonic+620w

 

 

I would suggest this power supply if you can afford it.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151118&cm_re=seasonic_650w-_-17-151-118-_-Product

 

 

 

 

Although the eVGA you linked is also ok. About GPU's the only time you really need a single fan blower style, or that it would benefit you more  is actually in OEM Dell, HP, Acer, Lenovo type cases where the system may only have one installed intake fan, or that and one small exhaust fan, however I have installed plenty of dual fan cards in those systems and not noticed much heat really. One thing that helps dual fan GPU's would be the actual cover shroud of the card itself. If it really covers the card well and if the exhaust plate is well ventilated then it can do a decent job both cooling and also exhausting some of the air outside of the case. Some of the other members here might chime in as well as help you with a specific GPU selection, but I would recommend a dual fan card that has a decent cover-shroud around the card itself. Also there are a few nice single fan cards like a few of the eVGA GTX 1060 and GTX 1050ti's those cards have nice PCB shrouds too and should be fine. If an RX 470 suits you Sapphire and XFX have some nice two fan models. I would get nothing short of a 4GB-6GB model GPU though with the demanding games of today and those yet to come out 2GB-3GB won't allow you to set in-game settings quite as high with higher resolutions.


Edited by Zone_86, 21 February 2017 - 12:38 AM.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 01:51 AM

Well, there may be compatibility issues, BIOS can have a whitelist of HW it can run. And the MoBo is not a very good piece of HW.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 02:08 AM

Actually few if any compabibility issues because OEM motherboards are more basic. There is no such thing as a whitelist per-say, either it can run it or it can't but i can assure you that in 99% of cases it can. The mainboard is fine. There is a lot of misinformation out there about the inferiority of a pre-builts but most of it comes from new do-it-yourselfers, and most of that information is false. There are cases where certain GPU's won't run correctly like a thread in the Dell forums where XPS 8700's for some time would not run with GTX 970-1070's, but because so many own OEM PC's that issue was addressed with a bios update for that XPS series. The motherboard quality is ok. maybe not quite the same quality of a Z series Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, ASrock Intel board but it's equal for the most part to most H-B series Intel boards.


Edited by Zone_86, 21 February 2017 - 02:27 AM.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 05:55 AM

Well, there may be compatibility issues, BIOS can have a whitelist of HW it can run. And the MoBo is not a very good piece of HW.

 

PCI Express 3.0 cards require UEFI BIOS support. Without it, they will not work. I tried putting PCI Express 3.0 card into HP pre-built (also LGA1150 socket) without UEFI support and no luck.



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:11 PM

What I can say is that the cards I installed on that model were GTX 970, GTX 750, R7 265 (I believe). So I think some of it depends on the video cards model/bios itself being able to work with newer cards as well as the specific HP bios tolerance for a hybrid or solid PCIe 3.0 situation. Additionally there is a bios update for that model A 0.13 Rev A dated Oct 6-2016 Here

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http://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/HP-Pavilion-500-Desktop-PC-series/7161732/model/7276699

 

http://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp71501-72000/sp71881.exe

 

* I would definitely make sure to be running that bios with a current gen GPU.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 11:24 PM

Okay, so I was looking at some graphics cards and here's a couple that I found that are in my price range. I'm looking more into the 1050 ti mainly because it is going to be cheaper for more GB. I did find one 1060 GPU with 3GB as well. As for the shrouding of the card, I'm still a little confused on that. Anyways, here are a couple cards that I found that I thought would be okay. 

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Geforce-1050-Graphic-GV-N105TD5-4GD/dp/B01M4KGTNI/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1487909311&sr=1-5&keywords=gtx%2B1060&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A6066316011&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-04G-P4-6253-KR/dp/B01NBHXR8A/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1487909311&sr=1-2&keywords=gtx%2B1060&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A6066316011&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-04G-P4-6253-KR/dp/B01M5BQRIO/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1487909311&sr=1-2&keywords=gtx%2B1060&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A6066316011&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-04G-P4-6253-KR/dp/B01M5BQRIO/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1487909311&sr=1-2&keywords=gtx%2B1060&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A6066316011&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-GTX-1050-GAMING/dp/B01MA62JSZ/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1487909311&sr=1-4&keywords=gtx+1060&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A6066316011

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125906&cm_re=1060_gtx-_-14-125-906-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487263&cm_re=1060_gtx-_-14-487-263-_-Product

 

Any insight on these cards would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!



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Posted 09 March 2017 - 09:49 PM

As long as your rig already supports and is using two monitors, how do you feel the existing card will be 'strained' supporting a pair of monitors for general desktop use?

 

(I'm confused why we are even upgrading for this....; gaming with 3 monitors is a much different story!)


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Posted 10 March 2017 - 06:45 AM

For the PSU, I need one that can run dual monitors

 

Confused.  The PSU does not run the monitors.  Certain PSU's may have an AC passthrough for a monitor I suppose, but I haven't seen that in a while.  Just plug the monitors into your power strip.  No significant power is drawn through the VGA/DVI/HDMI connection with the graphics card.  And yes running two monitors doesn't "strain" your graphics card.


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Posted 10 March 2017 - 09:38 PM

As long as your rig already supports and is using two monitors, how do you feel the existing card will be 'strained' supporting a pair of monitors for general desktop use?

 

(I'm confused why we are even upgrading for this....; gaming with 3 monitors is a much different story!)

 

The reason why is because I want to be able to use my desktop, not for general use, but for gaming. Currently, it runs only a couple games, but games like GTA V, or H1Z1, my graphics card cannot support it. Also, like I said, I'm not all that familiar with computers, so I am sorry if what I'm saying doesn't make sense. The thing is, with dual monitors, sure it's fine when I use both just for general use like watching youtube or browsing the web, but when I attempt to run a game such as shellshock on one monitor and try to do something else on the other, such as watch videos, etc, it starts to lag. Like my frame rate drops significantly. I am pretty sure that that is because of the graphics card. Either way, I still would like to upgrade it so I can play games that require a higher end graphics card. 






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